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From: Pierre Weis <pierre.weis@inria.fr>
To: graham_guttocks@yahoo.co.nz (Graham Guttocks)
Cc: pierre.weis@inria.fr, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:09:06 +0100 (MET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200303130809.JAA14359@pauillac.inria.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030311190230.13615.qmail@web10304.mail.yahoo.com> from Graham Guttocks at "Mar 12, 103 08:02:30 am"

> Pierre Weis <pierre.weis@inria.fr> wrote:
> >
> > This may be the main drawback of Objective Caml: there is no
> > ``Objective Caml for dummies''. That may be the price to pay to use
> > a powerful and theoretically well-founded language.
> 
> Do you mean that such a book could not be written, or simply that it
> just has not been written yet?  I personally would like to see an
> ``Objective Caml for dummies'' as the available introductory material
> (in English) is pretty poor IMO.

I tried a lot to figure out what such a book could be; unfortunately I
still don't know.

> > learning Caml is indeed profitable to the way you deal with
> > programming problems, but on the other hand, yes, it is not so easy
> 
> In http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/general-eng.html you said:
> 
> ``Caml is a programming language, easy to learn, easy to use''.
> 
> So is it easy or not easy?
>
> Graham
> 
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> - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.

Oups! Well spotted :)

Hence, I should be a bit more precise: my feeling is that Caml is easy
to learn (and indeed in some sense, I think it is a true pleasure to
learn Caml). But, as I tried to say in the preceeding message, it is
also mandatory to learn it. In other terms, grasping Caml needs some
efforts from you. It is not difficult or painful but you must do this
effort. So, on the one hand, it is not difficult which means «it's
easy». On the other hand, you have to think and learn some new
concepts; a lot of people consider this kind of activity as hard and
tedious, in a word «difficult»; so that, for them, «it's not so easy».

I hope this is clearer. In some sense the book we should write is not
«Caml for dummies» but something like «Caml for the curious» or «Caml
for the voluntary learners».

Thank you for your interesting feed-back.

Best regards,

Pierre Weis

INRIA, Projet Cristal, Pierre.Weis@inria.fr, http://pauillac.inria.fr/~weis/


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-03-13  8:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-06 23:27 Graham Guttocks
2003-03-10 20:43 ` Paul Steckler
2003-03-10 23:48 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2003-03-11  0:18   ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-17 23:49   ` Graham Guttocks
2003-03-11  1:43 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-03-11 10:23   ` Pierre Weis
2003-03-11 14:27     ` Guillaume Marceau
2003-03-11 16:16       ` David Brown
2003-03-11 16:47       ` [Caml-list] about -rectypes Christophe Raffalli
2003-03-12  2:32       ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Nicolas Cannasse
2003-03-12  3:55         ` Cross-platform GUI (was Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity) mgushee
2003-03-12 10:51         ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Alex Romadinoff
2003-03-12 18:24         ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-11 19:02     ` Graham Guttocks
2003-03-12 17:12       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2003-03-12 18:08         ` Alwyn Goodloe
2003-03-12 22:34           ` Michael Schuerig
2003-03-12 23:13             ` Martin Weber
2003-03-12 23:35               ` Michael Schuerig
2003-03-13  8:02                 ` Alessandro Baretta
2003-03-13 10:23                   ` Michael Schuerig
2003-03-12 23:35             ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-12 23:18         ` Daniel Bünzli
2003-03-12 23:47           ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-13  2:15         ` William Lovas
2003-03-13  3:44           ` Graham Guttocks
2003-03-13  9:31           ` Richard W.M. Jones
     [not found]           ` <20030313095232.GC347@first.in-berlin.de>
2003-03-13 20:50             ` William Lovas
2003-03-13 21:17               ` Oliver Bandel
2003-03-13 22:01                 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-13 22:17                 ` Oliver Bandel
2003-03-14  6:33                 ` Michal Moskal
2003-03-14 11:50                   ` Markus Mottl
2003-03-14 15:38                     ` Oliver Bandel
2003-03-14 10:13               ` MikhailFedotov
2003-03-14 10:30                 ` Johann Spies
2003-03-13  8:09       ` Pierre Weis [this message]
2003-03-15  1:43     ` Tushar Samant
2003-03-15  8:19       ` Andreas Eder
2003-03-11 16:26   ` Fred Yankowski
2003-03-11 19:47     ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity (long!) mgushee
2003-03-12 11:23       ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2003-03-30  5:59         ` Belated thanks (was Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity) Matt Gushee
2003-03-31 15:27           ` [Caml-list] Re: Belated thanks cashin
2003-04-01  8:22           ` Belated thanks (was Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity) Johann Spies
2003-03-12 20:41       ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity (long!) Max Kirillov
2003-03-13  2:36         ` Haskell-like syntax (was: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity (long!)) Oleg
2003-03-13 18:33           ` [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax Max Kirillov
2003-03-14 19:30             ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-14 19:47               ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-14 20:01               ` Seth Kurtzberg
2003-03-14 20:34                 ` brogoff
2003-03-14 21:17                   ` Sebastien Carlier
2003-03-14 21:51                     ` brogoff
2003-03-15  2:27                 ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-15 10:58                   ` Markus Mottl
2003-03-15 15:52                     ` [Caml-list] globally valid symbols (was: Haskell-like syntax) Max Kirillov
2003-03-15 20:16                     ` [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax David Brown
2003-03-16  5:28                     ` Module recursion (Was Re: [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax) brogoff
2003-03-16 11:10                       ` Markus Mottl
2003-03-16 18:02                         ` brogoff
2003-03-16 18:34                           ` Markus Mottl
     [not found]                     ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303152112560.27230-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-16  5:38                       ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-16 18:34                         ` brogoff
2003-03-17  2:20                           ` Jacques Garrigue
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303161020480.11736-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-17  5:08                           ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-17 17:06                             ` brogoff
2003-03-17 19:01                               ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
     [not found]                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303170836240.29039-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-17 19:33                               ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-17 20:28                                 ` brogoff
     [not found]                                 ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303171145500.29039-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-17 21:09                                   ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-19  2:34                                 ` [Caml-list] ocamlopt speed (was Re: Module recursion) Chris Hecker
2003-03-19 10:03                                   ` Michal Moskal
2003-03-19 10:38                                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2003-03-19 20:36                                   ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-17  1:46                     ` [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax Nicolas Cannasse
2003-03-14 22:50               ` Oleg
2003-03-20 15:01                 ` Andreas Rossberg
2003-03-12 20:46       ` [Caml-list] Monads was OCaml popularity Christophe Raffalli
2003-03-13  0:03       ` [Caml-list] monads for dummies james woodyatt
2003-03-13  4:32         ` Christopher Quinn
2003-03-13 11:53         ` Christian Lindig
2003-03-12 18:59 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Martin Weber
2003-03-12 20:24   ` Xavier Leroy
2003-03-13  8:57     ` [Caml-list] how to interface with integer Bigarrays using camlidl francois bereux
2003-03-13  9:36       ` Xavier Leroy
2003-03-13  0:42   ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Graham Guttocks
2003-03-12 17:40 isaac gouy
2003-03-12 23:53 [oliver: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity] Oliver Bandel
2003-03-13  1:34 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Michael Schuerig
2003-03-13  7:09 Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-13 16:48 ` Neel Krishnaswami
2003-03-13 21:29 ` Karl Zilles
2003-03-13 21:36   ` Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-13 21:42   ` Daniel M. Albro
     [not found]     ` <15985.1204.814698.939943@h00045a4799d6.ne.client2.attbi.com>
2003-03-14  5:49       ` Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-14  9:05         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-03-14  9:13           ` Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-13 21:53   ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-13 14:39 [oliver: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity] Oliver Bandel
2003-03-13 16:35 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Michael Schuerig
2003-03-14 22:14 Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-15 16:27 Oliver Bandel
2003-03-15 17:55 ` Sergey Goldgaber

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