From: Martin Weber <Ephaeton@gmx.net>
To: Graham Guttocks <graham_guttocks@yahoo.co.nz>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:59:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030312185904.GB372@phaeton.entropie.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030306232731.7374.qmail@web10305.mail.yahoo.com>
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 12:27:31PM +1300, Graham Guttocks wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I discovered OCaml on Doug Bagley's computer shootout page where he
> gives it a rave review over all the other languages he evaluated.
> (...)
Yes, that's where I stumbled over Ocaml for the first time, too ...
> After looking into it further, I'm just surprised that OCaml isn't
> more popular.
I'm not. Exaggerating:
Most programmers are idiots, and idiots won't be able to appreciate
the good things - they take the language which fits their intellectual
base. Still wondering why tons of people program in perl ? :)
> (...)
> Any ideas why OCaml isn't more well known? Is it just because the
> language is not as old as something like Python, or perhaps because
> the syntax is more difficult to learn?
Bluntly, why should Ocaml be known more ? I'm programming in about a
dozen languages, and I don't give a **** about whether the language
is known or not. If it needs a run-time environment and I gotta deliver,
fine, then they gotta install the run-time environment too. As long as
it's not java you're delivering, they can even download it via the 'net
and still live to see it finishing :)
>From all the things I judge a language, its popularity is nothing
I'm looking at. Well, okay, it can serve to amuse me. The popularity
of lisp for example ("lisp is dead" (yeah - as dead as I am)), or that
of perl (@{%$}!!) ...
On the syntax bit, I think it's just sad that ocaml requires different
special operators for different arguments, that's about it which might
drive off new people. (why +. ? Can't 'a + 'a be enough for integer,
bignum, rational, float, string, whatsoEVER addition ? sigh ...).
regards,
-martin
PS: I'm using perl and java myself, so just making sure that you get
that this is no flamebait. If you can't help yourself, cat > /dev/null.
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2003-03-06 23:27 Graham Guttocks
2003-03-10 20:43 ` Paul Steckler
2003-03-10 23:48 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2003-03-11 0:18 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-17 23:49 ` Graham Guttocks
2003-03-11 1:43 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-03-11 10:23 ` Pierre Weis
2003-03-11 14:27 ` Guillaume Marceau
2003-03-11 16:16 ` David Brown
2003-03-11 16:47 ` [Caml-list] about -rectypes Christophe Raffalli
2003-03-12 2:32 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Nicolas Cannasse
2003-03-12 3:55 ` Cross-platform GUI (was Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity) mgushee
2003-03-12 10:51 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Alex Romadinoff
2003-03-12 18:24 ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-11 19:02 ` Graham Guttocks
2003-03-12 17:12 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2003-03-12 18:08 ` Alwyn Goodloe
2003-03-12 22:34 ` Michael Schuerig
2003-03-12 23:13 ` Martin Weber
2003-03-12 23:35 ` Michael Schuerig
2003-03-13 8:02 ` Alessandro Baretta
2003-03-13 10:23 ` Michael Schuerig
2003-03-12 23:35 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-12 23:18 ` Daniel Bünzli
2003-03-12 23:47 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-13 2:15 ` William Lovas
2003-03-13 3:44 ` Graham Guttocks
2003-03-13 9:31 ` Richard W.M. Jones
[not found] ` <20030313095232.GC347@first.in-berlin.de>
2003-03-13 20:50 ` William Lovas
2003-03-13 21:17 ` Oliver Bandel
2003-03-13 22:01 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-13 22:17 ` Oliver Bandel
2003-03-14 6:33 ` Michal Moskal
2003-03-14 11:50 ` Markus Mottl
2003-03-14 15:38 ` Oliver Bandel
2003-03-14 10:13 ` MikhailFedotov
2003-03-14 10:30 ` Johann Spies
2003-03-13 8:09 ` Pierre Weis
2003-03-15 1:43 ` Tushar Samant
2003-03-15 8:19 ` Andreas Eder
2003-03-11 16:26 ` Fred Yankowski
2003-03-11 19:47 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity (long!) mgushee
2003-03-12 11:23 ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2003-03-30 5:59 ` Belated thanks (was Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity) Matt Gushee
2003-03-31 15:27 ` [Caml-list] Re: Belated thanks cashin
2003-04-01 8:22 ` Belated thanks (was Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity) Johann Spies
2003-03-12 20:41 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity (long!) Max Kirillov
2003-03-13 2:36 ` Haskell-like syntax (was: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity (long!)) Oleg
2003-03-13 18:33 ` [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax Max Kirillov
2003-03-14 19:30 ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-14 19:47 ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-14 20:01 ` Seth Kurtzberg
2003-03-14 20:34 ` brogoff
2003-03-14 21:17 ` Sebastien Carlier
2003-03-14 21:51 ` brogoff
2003-03-15 2:27 ` Max Kirillov
2003-03-15 10:58 ` Markus Mottl
2003-03-15 15:52 ` [Caml-list] globally valid symbols (was: Haskell-like syntax) Max Kirillov
2003-03-15 20:16 ` [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax David Brown
2003-03-16 5:28 ` Module recursion (Was Re: [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax) brogoff
2003-03-16 11:10 ` Markus Mottl
2003-03-16 18:02 ` brogoff
2003-03-16 18:34 ` Markus Mottl
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303152112560.27230-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-16 5:38 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-16 18:34 ` brogoff
2003-03-17 2:20 ` Jacques Garrigue
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303161020480.11736-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-17 5:08 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-17 17:06 ` brogoff
2003-03-17 19:01 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303170836240.29039-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-17 19:33 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-17 20:28 ` brogoff
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303171145500.29039-100000@grace.speakeasy.n et>
2003-03-17 21:09 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-19 2:34 ` [Caml-list] ocamlopt speed (was Re: Module recursion) Chris Hecker
2003-03-19 10:03 ` Michal Moskal
2003-03-19 10:38 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2003-03-19 20:36 ` Chris Hecker
2003-03-17 1:46 ` [Caml-list] Re: Haskell-like syntax Nicolas Cannasse
2003-03-14 22:50 ` Oleg
2003-03-20 15:01 ` Andreas Rossberg
2003-03-12 20:46 ` [Caml-list] Monads was OCaml popularity Christophe Raffalli
2003-03-13 0:03 ` [Caml-list] monads for dummies james woodyatt
2003-03-13 4:32 ` Christopher Quinn
2003-03-13 11:53 ` Christian Lindig
2003-03-12 18:59 ` Martin Weber [this message]
2003-03-12 20:24 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Xavier Leroy
2003-03-13 8:57 ` [Caml-list] how to interface with integer Bigarrays using camlidl francois bereux
2003-03-13 9:36 ` Xavier Leroy
2003-03-13 0:42 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Graham Guttocks
2003-03-12 17:40 isaac gouy
2003-03-12 23:53 [oliver: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity] Oliver Bandel
2003-03-13 1:34 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Michael Schuerig
2003-03-13 7:09 Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-13 16:48 ` Neel Krishnaswami
2003-03-13 21:29 ` Karl Zilles
2003-03-13 21:36 ` Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-13 21:42 ` Daniel M. Albro
[not found] ` <15985.1204.814698.939943@h00045a4799d6.ne.client2.attbi.com>
2003-03-14 5:49 ` Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-14 9:05 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-03-14 9:13 ` Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-13 21:53 ` Brian Hurt
2003-03-13 14:39 [oliver: Re: [Caml-list] OCaml popularity] Oliver Bandel
2003-03-13 16:35 ` [Caml-list] OCaml popularity Michael Schuerig
2003-03-14 22:14 Daniel M. Albro
2003-03-15 16:27 Oliver Bandel
2003-03-15 17:55 ` Sergey Goldgaber
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