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[Vee Satayamas]

Hello,

I 'm interested in using Caml as the 
first language to teach student.
What is your opinion? Is there any
place use Caml as the first language
in programming course.

Thank you,
Vee Satayamas

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[Caml-list] teaching Caml as a first language

[Basile STARYNKEVITCH]

>>>>> "Vee" == Vee Satayamas <liberalvee@yahoo.co.uk> writes:

    Vee> Hello, I 'm interested in using Caml as the first language to
    Vee> teach student.  What is your opinion? Is there any place use
    Vee> Caml as the first language in programming course.

CamlLight and Ocaml are already used at many places as a first
language. In particular in France in many classes préparatoires
(approximately college or Bachelor degree); and also in several US (&
European) universities.

I'm not a teacher, but I am sure you'll get lots of positive replies.

I would suggest (if possible) to use a Unix (or Linux) system to teach
a programming course. Two major reasons are: the Unix programming
environrment (in particular with Emacs and the Ocaml debugger) is
better for Ocaml than Windows, and also teaching rudiment of Unix in
programming courses always help (in particular to tell students that
there are several operating systems).

The Caml site gives several books (english, french, german) used in
teaching programming with Caml.

Regards.
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[Caml-list] Re:

[Seth Kurtzberg]

My inclination is that this is perhaps not the best approach.  As OCaml is 
using concepts and methods from a wide variety of languages, jumping straight 
into OCaml might make it difficult for the student to understand and absorb 
the different paradigms.

On Saturday 08 March 2003 01:53 am, Vee Satayamas wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I 'm interested in using Caml as the
> first language to teach student.
> What is your opinion? Is there any
> place use Caml as the first language
> in programming course.
>
> Thank you,
> Vee Satayamas
>
> =====
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> My homepage : http://www.geocities.com/liberalvee
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[Caml-list] Teaching with Caml

[Geoff Wozniak]

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Vee Satayamas writes:
 > 
 > I'm interested in using Caml as the first language to teach student.
 > What is your opinion? Is there any place use Caml as the first language
 > in programming course.
 > 

I taught a third year programming languages course using OCaml as the
primary language, although I didn't go into anything that is beyond Caml
Light.

I will say that it was not well received, at first, since the background of
most students was C/C++/Java.  Like any class, some students didn't care,
some actively hated it and other accepted it.  By the end, I would say it
was generally well accepted, however, I doubt many continued to use it
after the course.

I think OCaml can work as a first language, especially since it accomodates
both functional and imperative styles.  My students had trouble with the
functional aspects (such as functions as first-class values) due to two
years of working in imperative languages.  I recommend focusing on the
functional style, myself :)

- -- 
Geoff(rey) Wozniak, PhD Candidate
University of Western Ontario
Computer Science Department
London, Ontario, Canada
http://wozniak.ca/

He who knows best knows how little he knows.
                             -- Benjamin Franklin

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Re: [Caml-list] Re:

[Brian Hurt]

They're teaching C++ as a first language these days.  You simply don't 
touch on the more complicated aspects of the language.  Or don't teach 
them until you're good and ready to teach them.

Brian

On Sat, 8 Mar 2003, Seth Kurtzberg wrote:

> My inclination is that this is perhaps not the best approach.  As OCaml is 
> using concepts and methods from a wide variety of languages, jumping straight 
> into OCaml might make it difficult for the student to understand and absorb 
> the different paradigms.
> 
> On Saturday 08 March 2003 01:53 am, Vee Satayamas wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I 'm interested in using Caml as the
> > first language to teach student.
> > What is your opinion? Is there any
> > place use Caml as the first language
> > in programming course.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Vee Satayamas
> >
> > =====
> > Please feel free to talk to me.
> > My homepage : http://www.geocities.com/liberalvee
> >
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[Caml-list] Re:

[nathalielibertine]

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[Caml-list] Re:

[Damien Doligez]

On Aug 23, 2004, at 22:27, briand@aracnet.com wrote:

> ~/src/ocaml/math $ ocaml
>         Objective Caml version 3.08.0
>
> # #load "const.cmo";;
> # Const.pi
>   ;;
> - : float = 3.14159265358979312
> #
>
>
> ~/src/ocaml/math $ cd ..
> ~/src/ocaml $ cd pll
> ~/src/ocaml/pll $ ocaml
>         Objective Caml version 3.08.0
>
> # #load "../math/const.cmo";;
> # Const.pi;;
> Unbound value Const.pi
>
> Huh ??

What is the type of Const.pi?  In order to answer this question, you 
have
to know the interface of module Const.  This interface lives in 
const.mli,
which is compiled to const.cmi.  It is automatically looked up in the
current directory, but not in ../math (unless you use option -I).

In other words, a module is composed of two things: its interface and
its implementation.  The interface is all you need to know at compile
time, while the implementation is all you need at execution time.  But
the toplevel does both compilation and execution, so it needs both.
The #load directive only provides the implementation.  You should also
add "../math" to the interface search path with the #directory 
directive:

# #load "../math/const.cmo";;
# #directory "../math";;
# Const.pi;;

-- Damien

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[Caml-list] Re:

[alex]

This is an autoresponder. I'll never see your message.

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[Caml-list] Re:

[Nicolas Janin]

It would be interesting to know how many people are directly interested by
such a project (provided that many people won't say they are interested, but
will eventually use such a library when it is in a mature state).

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> What do you think about SVG (Selective Vector Graphics)?
> It uses only text for graphics as postscript so it's not difficult to use
> OCaml for SVG.
> If you interested about that, I'll send you a few examples.
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> Subject: [Caml-list] Graphics frustration
>
>
> > Hello, all--
> >
> > I have been working on an application which will generate on-the-fly
> > graphics for the Web, but I have become very frustrated by the
> > limitations of the available graphics libraries for OCaml. If anyone
> > reading this thinks there are solutions I have overlooked, I would be
> > happy to discuss details. Right now, though, my purpose is to find out
> > whether others share my concerns, and how much interest there is in
> > developing better graphics libraries.
> >
> > What I would like to see is a single library with at least the
> > following capabilities:
> >
> >   * drawing primitives: line, rectangle, ellipse and/or arc, perhaps
> >     bezier curves
> >
> >   * rendering text with arbitrary Type 1 and/or TrueType fonts
> >
> >   * antialiasing
> >
> >   * basic image manipulation functions such as transformations,
> >     contrast adjustment, cropping, etc.
> >
> >   * saving to common bitmap formats such as JPEG and PNG
> >
> >   * cross-platform
> >
> > taking the various graphics packages together, all these capabilities
> > exist, but as far as I can tell there is no single package that combines
> > them all. So, in developing my application, I started out with
> > OCamlPlot, but discovered that it
> >
> >   - doesn't do antialiasing
> >
> >   - uses only 2 or 3 built-in fonts for PNG output
> >
> >   - has a rather rigid and idiosyncratic API
> >
> >   - doesn't run on Windows
> >
> > Then I decided to try MLgraph + Camlimages, which is an improvement, but
> > still falls short: MLgraph is excellent for drawing, but saves only to
> > PostScript--and I find the final result, converted to PNG with
> > CamlImages, rather unsatisfactory (the main problem is that antialiasing
> > doesn't work very well, which may actually be a Ghostscript issue).
> > Performance with this combination is also markedly poorer than with
> > OCamlPlot.
> >
> > Then there's OCamlGD, which seems quite promising. When complete, it
> > will probably satisfy all my requirements; but there hasn't been a
> > relesase in quite a while.
> >
> > So that's a quick summary of my situation. Do others agree with me that
> > this is a significant problem? Are there any good solutions in the
> > works?
> >
> > I am happy, by the way, to put some effort into developing something
> > better. My contribution would be limited, though (I'm not a C
> > programmer, for example, so I wouldn't be able to create a wrapper for
> > an existing C library.).
> >
> > Comments?
> >
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[Caml-list] Re:

[Alessandro Baretta]

I must advise you to download the O'Reilly caml-book, and
read through it. The answers to all your questions are in there.

http://caml.inria.fr/oreilly-book/

Alex


climb wrote:
>  i am quite confused about the orgnization of source files.
> i have programmed with java . java has a simple rule to orgnize files: one file contains one class(public) or interface, and name of the file and the class  must be identical.
> 
> As to Ocaml.
> Does the file name of *.ml or mli has some similar relation ship with the content ?
>   for example , in the on-line manul
>   it says :
>   if complie like this
>   ocaml -c aux.mli
>   ocaml -c aux.ml
>   behaves exactly as if 
>   module Aux: sig (* contents of aux.mli*) end = struct (*contents of aux.ml*) end;;
>   in the toplevel
>   that seems to imply the exsiting fo some relationship , but i still has these questions:
> 1) can many modules be write in just one file ? 
>    maybe not , then how does classes?

Yes. Modules can contain modules. Every compilation unit
automatically defines a module. An ".mli" defines the
signature of the module defined ecapsulating the
corresponding ".ml".

> 2) Is the multi sigs with one struct  or multi structs  with one sig  compiled at a prper dependency can get the same result that like as in the toplevel?   should i write anther file to tell them how to assigning?

I don't understand what you mean.

> 3) take set.ml and set.mli for example which defined one functor: Make and two sigs : S and OrderedType.  But when we use , we use this command    Set.Make(..).       "Set" here seem can only get from the name of the file. So it seems the file name determined the library name .  Then how about the noraml module (not functor) case that if i define a module A with a funtion a(), in file b.ml and b.mli, how can i refer to a() in module A.  A.a() or B.A.a() or B.a()? 
> 

As I already pointed out, the compiler encapsulates every
".ml" in its own module declaration, where the name of the
module is equal to the name of file, with the first letter
capitalized. Therefore, if you can write

> (* File x.ml *)
>
> module Abc = struct
>   let function_of_abc () = ...
> end


> (* File y.ml *)
>
> let _ = X.Abc.function_of_abc ()



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[Caml-list] Re:

[Nicolas FRANCOIS]

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Le Mon, 17 Jun 2002 15:23:09 +0200 (CEST) "Jun P.FURUSE"
<Jun.Furuse@inria.fr> a écrit :

> Hello,
> 
> > if (point_color ma_fourmi.x ma_fourmi.y) = white
> > is allways false under Ocaml.
> 
> If the following code says "BUG" in your environment, I am afraid that
> there is a bug inside the graphics library. In such case, could you
> send me the result of the command xdpyinfo in your environment ? 
> 
> (* ocamlc -o testgraphics graphics.cma testgraphics.ml *)
> open Graphics
> let _ = 
>     open_graph "";
>     if point_color 0 0 = white then 
>       prerr_endline "OK"
>     else prerr_endline "BUG"
> ;;

I received the bad answer :-(

You'll find the xdpyinfo output in attachment.

What can I do, boss ? Please !!!!!

\bye

-- 

                   Nicolas FRANCOIS
            http://nicolas.francois.free.fr
 A TRUE Klingon programmer does NOT comment his code

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Re: [Caml-list] Re:

[stalkern2]

Alle ore 15:56, sabato 23 febbraio 2002, Nicolas FRANCOIS (AKA El Bofo) ha 
scritto:
> Si tu es sous Linux, tu ne PEUX PAS faire autrement qu'utiliser emacs et
> le mode tuareg. La, c'est presque parfait (il faut bien laisser du travail
> aux developpeurs ;-) Si vraiment tu ne peux pas faire autrement, il existe
> aussi un mode specialise pour Vi.

Sous Linux il y a aussi le très bon et très simple éditeur de ocamlbrowser. 
Ocamlbrowser est le candidat outil de développement de ocaml, il est fourni 
avec la distribution standard, il permet à la fois de feuilleter la 
documentation, d'avoir un éditeur multi-pages et d'ouvrir des toplevels 
interactifs doués de mémoire des commandes exécutés.

Ciao
Ernesto
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[Caml-list] Re:

[Nicolas FRANCOIS]

On Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:05:02 +0100 (MET)
francois.hugel@free.fr wrote:

> Monsieur,
> j'ai le CD-ROM de l'INRIA avec le logiciel Caml Light, mais je ne sais
> pas comment accéder à un éditeur approprié pour taper des
> programmes.Pourriez-vous me renseigner,SVP, à l'adresse ci-dessous:
> francois.hugel@free.fr

Si tu es sous Window$, il suffit de lancer camlwin. Ca fait editeur (mal)
interactif, ca permet de se lancer. Assez rapidement, tu auras besoin d'un
editeur, si possible specialise. Tu trouveras cela sur le site de Caml
(pauillac.inria.fr/caml/), dans les ressources disponibles.

Si tu es sous Linux, tu ne PEUX PAS faire autrement qu'utiliser emacs et
le mode tuareg. La, c'est presque parfait (il faut bien laisser du travail
aux developpeurs ;-) Si vraiment tu ne peux pas faire autrement, il existe
aussi un mode specialise pour Vi.

Si tu es sos Mac... Heu, je ne sais pas.

\bye

-- 

                   Nicolas FRANCOIS
            http://nicolas.francois.free.fr
 A TRUE Klingon programmer does NOT comment his code
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