Re: [Caml-list] Threats on future of Camlp4

[Sven LUTHER <luther@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr>]

On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 01:30:25PM +0200, Daniel de Rauglaudre wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 01:25:59PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> 
> > Well, yes, ok, that is no problem, the problem is if you need the
> > _sources_ of the compiler to build the program, as opposed to having the
> > correct version of the compiler available.
> 
> You *don't need* the sources of OCaml to compile Camlp4. You just need
> that OCaml (binary and library) is installed, that's all.

Ok, like said, i have no problem with that.

> > I don't see how the internal problems of the ocaml team has to do with
> > the seriousness or the readiness for industrial purpose ? As long as you
> > don't export it to the outside that is.
> 
> The director of the project argues me that it is not possible to
> separate Camlp4 from OCaml because "we have industrial contacts".

Well, i am no industrial contract, but i would also very much prefer to
keep it together (for ease at packaging at least).

> > > Can you imagine what happens if the second of Microsoft tells to a
> > > customer that Windows is "not serious"? The guy would be dismissed.
> > 
> > Sure, but he would have been right, would he not ?
> 
> Yes. But right or not, it is not the point. In the point of view of
> having users, or customers, destroying the work of his colleagues is a
> dangerous thing, which has consequences. Bad for sells, or bad for
> convincing the decidors, who are sometime not scientifics.

I should have added a smiley.

> > Beside the fact that Camel could have sued you for unlicensed use of
> > the icon [...]
> 
> You joke? They would be happy, for sure, that scientifics encourage
> them and give them free ad!

Maybe, but it still is unlicensed use of trademarked material, or
something such.

> > and that it may well be contrary to the french laws about publicity
> > for cigarets, i don't think that the icon used for ocaml has bought
> > anyone to smoke.
> 
> Ah, this is what they say in "Formule 1". I am convinced of the contrary.

Huh ???

But i think we are going too much of topic here, please reply in private
mail if needed.

Friendly,

Sven Luther
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