From: Markus Mottl <markus@oefai.at>
To: Daniel de Rauglaudre <daniel.de_rauglaudre@inria.fr>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs]
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 23:38:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020516213841.GA4921@fichte.ai.univie.ac.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020516214412.K2924@verdot.inria.fr>
On Thu, 16 May 2002, Daniel de Rauglaudre wrote:
> On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:39:45PM -0400, John Prevost wrote:
> > Really? Why did someone decide that inclusion was a bad idea?
> I say it. Camlp4 and the attempts to improve the syntax have been
> considered *officially* by the OCaml team as a "not serious" work
> and a "loss of time". As I worried about that, and asked for more
> information, it has been confirmed by the team, moreover with several
> personnal attacks.
Sigh. I also don't want to mess with social issues at INRIA, but find
it strange indeed that this is the official line. The only reason
so far why I didn't use camlp4 too often in the past was _because_ it
obviously didn't get enough official support. Its addition to the standard
distribution seemed like a good idea to me. I consider it a very useful
tool for a language that is still a somewhat moving target and which may
require syntax changes in the future. Those could be done with much less
hassle given a powerful tool. Not to mention extensions needed by users.
The syntax question has already been raised here several times so I
don't want to do it again. Suffice it to say that OCaml _has_ syntactic
problems about which beginners stumble frequently as I still remember
from my beginner time and as I can observe with people whom I have just
recently converted. One can get accustomed to and work around those
issues, but this doesn't really make them go away.
Regards,
Markus Mottl
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2002-05-15 9:13 [Caml-list] Generating C stubs Jérôme Marant
2002-05-15 9:49 ` Jocelyn Sérot
2002-05-15 12:17 ` Jérôme Marant
2002-05-15 12:38 ` Remi VANICAT
2002-05-15 20:19 ` Jérôme Marant
2002-05-16 7:06 ` Florian Hars
2002-05-16 7:34 ` Markus Mottl
2002-05-16 19:13 ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs] Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-05-16 19:27 ` Chris Hecker
2002-05-16 19:39 ` John Prevost
2002-05-16 19:44 ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-05-16 20:28 ` Chris Hecker
2002-05-16 21:38 ` Markus Mottl [this message]
2002-05-17 0:31 ` Alessandro Baretta
2002-05-17 14:32 ` Pierre Weis
2002-05-17 15:31 ` Markus Mottl
2002-05-17 21:18 ` Pierre Weis
2002-05-17 21:37 ` Dave Mason
2002-05-18 9:46 ` Pierre Weis
2002-05-21 17:51 ` Diego Olivier Fernandez Pons
2002-05-19 11:31 ` Markus Mottl
2002-05-21 17:10 ` james woodyatt
2002-05-20 1:18 ` [Caml-list] Tail recursion detection John Max Skaller
2002-05-21 7:46 ` Alain Frisch
2002-05-21 11:35 ` Benedikt Grundmann
2002-05-21 15:12 ` John Max Skaller
2002-05-22 12:44 ` Noel Welsh
2002-05-22 16:47 ` John Max Skaller
2002-05-21 8:57 ` Noel Welsh
2002-05-20 22:59 ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs] Alessandro Baretta
2002-05-16 23:22 ` [Caml-list] Re: Camlp4/OCaml Christopher Quinn
2002-05-17 7:02 ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
[not found] ` <Pine.BSF.4.40.0205170357340.11758-100000@bpr.best.vwh.net>
2002-05-17 7:09 ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs] Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-05-17 7:54 ` [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml Michel Mauny
2002-05-17 8:05 ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-05-16 14:09 ` [Caml-list] Generating C stubs Benedikt Grundmann
2002-05-16 16:37 ` Jeff Henrikson
2002-05-16 16:31 ` Benedikt Grundmann
2002-05-17 5:59 ` Jeff Henrikson
2002-05-16 23:22 [Caml-list] Camlp4/OCaml [was: Generating C stubs] Joshua D. Guttman
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