From: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
To: Jeff Henrikson <jehenrik@yahoo.com>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] The DLL-hell of O'Caml
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:00:47 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20020312230047.M1173@ice.gerd-stolpmann.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <000d01c1c95b$866bc060$0b01a8c0@mit.edu>; from jehenrik@yahoo.com on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 01:19:07 +0100
On 2002.03.12 01:19 Jeff Henrikson wrote:
> > In O'Caml replacing library X by a newer version usually means that
> > all libraries Y that depend on X must be recompiled. And there is no
> > guarantee that Y can be compiled at all. I do not see any chance to
> > change this, it is a consequence of strict typing.
>
> I don't see this. I can believe that consequences of implementation choices which have been made prohibit this. For hypothetical
> example, inlining behavior which could not be disabled on public interfaces would be a problem. (I don't think this particular
> thing happens in ocaml.) But I certainly don't see "a consequence of strict typing." Can you give a specific example?
Usually, a new version of a library modifies the signature. Ok, these are often only minor
modifications: some new functions, new optional arguments etc., and normally the new version
is "source-level" compatible with the old version. "Source-level" means that "normal" usage
does not cause incompatibilities.
An example: The old version defines a function
(* OLD: *) val f : int -> int
and the new version changes the signature into
(* NEW: *) val f : ?option:bool -> int -> int
If "normal usage" means that f is only applied, the new version will be backwards compatible.
But there are cases where the compiler indicates a typing error:
- You can pass f as such around. This makes a difference because the type of f is different
and the deduced types will be different, and it may happen that the deduced types cannot
be accepted, because sometimes the optional argument is automatically dropped and sometimes
not.
- The module defining f can be used as parameter of a functor. The new version has a different
signature, and is not accepted as parameter any more.
So one precondition of replacing the library is that the signatures are identical. Even small
changes cannot be tolerated.
I am not an expert, and I do not know how the optional arguments exactly work, but it is
possible that the representation of the closure f has changed, too. In general, I expect
that "source-level" compatible modifications may change the representation of values.
Inlining is another reason (only for ocamlopt), but this can be turned off.
Gerd
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-03-12 22:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-03-11 4:28 Mark D. Anderson
2002-03-11 7:12 ` Mattias Waldau
2002-03-11 12:15 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2002-03-12 0:19 ` Jeff Henrikson
2002-03-12 22:00 ` Gerd Stolpmann [this message]
2002-03-20 11:20 ` Fergus Henderson
2002-03-20 11:43 ` Jacques Garrigue
2002-03-20 17:16 ` Fergus Henderson
2002-03-20 12:53 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2002-03-20 13:05 ` Johan Georg Granström
2002-03-20 13:40 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2002-03-20 19:46 ` Alain Frisch
2002-03-20 20:39 ` Xavier Leroy
2002-03-20 21:16 ` Markus Mottl
2002-03-21 9:07 ` Warp
2002-03-21 10:18 ` Christopher Quinn
2002-03-21 18:13 ` Xavier Leroy
2002-03-21 14:13 ` Jeff Henrikson
2002-03-21 14:13 ` [Caml-list] Type-safe DLL's with OO (was DLL-hell of O'Caml) Tim Freeman
2002-03-21 18:10 ` [Caml-list] The DLL-hell of O'Caml Xavier Leroy
2002-03-21 18:39 ` Sven
2002-03-21 19:22 ` james woodyatt
2002-03-21 19:43 ` Jeff Henrikson
2002-03-22 2:02 ` Brian Rogoff
2002-03-22 10:11 ` Warp
2002-03-21 18:50 ` Sven
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-03-22 10:24 Dave Berry
2002-03-22 10:14 Dave Berry
2002-03-02 0:11 [Caml-list] troubleshooting problem related to garbage collection james woodyatt
2002-03-02 7:57 ` [Caml-list] The DLL-hell of O'Caml Mattias Waldau
2002-03-02 11:56 ` Markus Mottl
2002-03-02 21:40 ` Alexander V. Voinov
2002-03-02 14:46 ` Alain Frisch
2002-03-02 19:00 ` Chris Hecker
2002-03-02 19:42 ` Mattias Waldau
2002-03-02 22:41 ` Chris Hecker
2002-03-03 15:56 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2002-03-04 9:57 ` Sven
2002-03-04 12:20 ` Jacques Garrigue
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