From: leary@nwlink.com
To: Jonathan Coupe <jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml complexity
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 02:41:02 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010608024102.A13672@jean> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <002c01c0ef7f$e154f3e0$5d26883e@baby>; from jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:29:27PM +0100
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Jonathan Coupe wrote:
> 1. Perl was perceived by the adopters who gave it critical mass as being
> fundamentally like the languages they already knew (bash, C, Awk) It was a
> low risk, low effort, low fear choice.
A Hitchhiker's Guide to type theory (and all the other alien things my eyes
glaze over at on this list) aimed at the unwashed masses would go a long
way to making OCaml (and functional programming in general) more
accessible. Did I pass over one somewhere?
> 2. Perl is aimed most of all at small projects. The risk of trying new tools
> in this space is low - throwing away a 200 lines of code is annoying, but
> not job threatening. And benefits are quickly perceiveable. Ocaml's best use
> is probably larger projects beyond the scope of scripting languages.
> Throwing a way an even quarter completed project is likely to mean the loss
> of several thousand lines of coding effort, and you're unlikely to have
> proveable benefits until the end of the first project, which is more likely
> to be months, not days or hours, after starting work.
How much time and money do development teams spend creating and tracking
down memory management errors in C and C++ starting on day one? At least
some of the benefits are immediate and ongoing.
>
> 3. Perl's regexp gave it a decisive edge in several rapidly expanding
> niches.
And OCaml has features which give it a decisive edge in markets too big to
be called mere niches.
> 4. Its easy to perceive Perl's strengths from an initial examination, and
> perhaps harder to pick up on its weaknesses.
I can say exactly the same of OCaml.
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Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-06-07 8:58 leary
2001-06-07 18:29 ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08 9:41 ` leary [this message]
2001-06-08 10:05 ` Why is Ocaml better than Java (WAS: [Caml-list] ocaml complexity) Mattias Waldau
2001-06-08 13:31 ` Pierre Weis
2001-06-08 16:37 ` William Chesters
2001-06-08 21:39 ` Brian Rogoff
[not found] ` <Pine.BSF.4.21.0106081430070.27414-100000@shell5.ba.best.co m>
2001-06-08 22:16 ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-08 12:27 ` [Caml-list] ocaml complexity Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08 20:22 ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-08 20:31 ` Miles Egan
2001-06-08 22:17 ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08 22:18 ` Miles Egan
2001-06-11 14:05 ` Pierre Weis
2001-06-09 19:41 ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08 22:59 ` David Fox
2001-06-09 0:43 ` leary
2001-06-09 1:09 ` Mark Wotton
2001-06-09 8:36 ` Markus Mottl
2001-06-09 20:58 ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08 22:46 ` leary
2001-06-09 1:18 ` David Fox
2001-06-12 14:17 ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-13 15:21 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-13 20:32 ` leary
2001-06-13 22:58 ` Johann Höchtl
2001-06-13 21:18 ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-09 22:32 ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-11 0:20 ` leary
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-06-14 16:04 John R Harrison
2001-06-13 21:04 David Gurr
2001-06-13 23:13 ` leary
2001-06-13 23:19 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-15 13:28 ` Tore Lund
2001-06-15 14:03 ` Nils Goesche
2001-06-15 14:54 ` Xavier Leroy
2001-06-15 15:14 ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-15 15:23 ` Nils Goesche
2001-06-15 17:38 ` Sven LUTHER
2001-06-15 20:36 ` Remi VANICAT
2001-06-15 14:16 ` Doug Bagley
2001-06-28 12:54 ` Didier Remy
2001-06-28 18:31 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-11 20:33 Arturo Borquez
2001-06-11 21:17 ` Miles Egan
2001-06-12 7:19 ` wester
2001-06-06 16:50 Miles Egan
2001-06-06 17:30 ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-06 18:25 ` Charles Martin
2001-06-06 19:27 ` Michael Hicks
2001-06-06 21:15 ` David Fox
2001-06-07 12:25 ` FabienFleutot
2001-06-08 0:27 ` Miles Egan
2001-06-06 19:36 ` William Chesters
2001-06-06 19:55 ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-06 20:06 ` William Chesters
2001-06-07 16:30 ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08 0:32 ` Miles Egan
2001-06-08 0:56 ` David Fox
2001-06-07 7:35 ` wester
2001-06-07 17:27 ` John Max Skaller
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