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From: leary@nwlink.com
To: Jonathan Coupe <jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] ocaml complexity
Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 02:41:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010608024102.A13672@jean> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <002c01c0ef7f$e154f3e0$5d26883e@baby>; from jonathan@meanwhile.freeserve.co.uk on Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:29:27PM +0100

On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:29:27PM +0100, Jonathan Coupe wrote:
> 1. Perl was perceived by the adopters who gave it critical mass as being
> fundamentally like the languages they already knew (bash, C, Awk) It was a
> low risk, low effort, low fear choice.

A Hitchhiker's Guide to type theory (and all the other alien things my eyes
glaze over at on this list) aimed at the unwashed masses would go a long
way to making OCaml (and functional programming in general) more
accessible.  Did I pass over one somewhere?

> 2. Perl is aimed most of all at small projects. The risk of trying new tools
> in this space is low - throwing away a 200 lines of code is annoying, but
> not job threatening. And benefits are quickly perceiveable. Ocaml's best use
> is probably larger projects beyond the scope of scripting languages.
> Throwing a way an even quarter completed project is likely to mean the loss
> of several thousand lines of coding effort, and you're unlikely to have
> proveable benefits until the end of the first project, which is more likely
> to be months, not days or hours, after starting work.

How much time and money do development teams spend creating and tracking
down memory management errors in C and C++ starting on day one?  At least
some of the benefits are immediate and ongoing.

> 
> 3. Perl's regexp gave it a decisive edge in several rapidly expanding
> niches.

And OCaml has features which give it a decisive edge in markets too big to
be called mere niches.

> 4. Its easy to perceive Perl's strengths from an initial examination, and
> perhaps harder to pick up on its weaknesses.

I can say exactly the same of OCaml.

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-08  9:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-07  8:58 leary
2001-06-07 18:29 ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08  9:41   ` leary [this message]
2001-06-08 10:05     ` Why is Ocaml better than Java (WAS: [Caml-list] ocaml complexity) Mattias Waldau
2001-06-08 13:31       ` Pierre Weis
2001-06-08 16:37         ` William Chesters
2001-06-08 21:39       ` Brian Rogoff
     [not found]       ` <Pine.BSF.4.21.0106081430070.27414-100000@shell5.ba.best.co m>
2001-06-08 22:16         ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-08 12:27     ` [Caml-list] ocaml complexity Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08 20:22       ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-08 20:31         ` Miles Egan
2001-06-08 22:17           ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-08 22:18             ` Miles Egan
2001-06-11 14:05             ` Pierre Weis
2001-06-09 19:41           ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08 22:59         ` David Fox
2001-06-09  0:43         ` leary
2001-06-09  1:09           ` Mark Wotton
2001-06-09  8:36           ` Markus Mottl
2001-06-09 20:58           ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08 22:46       ` leary
2001-06-09  1:18         ` David Fox
2001-06-12 14:17           ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-13 15:21             ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-13 20:32               ` leary
2001-06-13 22:58                 ` Johann Höchtl
2001-06-13 21:18               ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-09 22:32         ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-11  0:20           ` leary
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-06-14 16:04 John R Harrison
2001-06-13 21:04 David Gurr
2001-06-13 23:13 ` leary
2001-06-13 23:19 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-15 13:28   ` Tore Lund
2001-06-15 14:03     ` Nils Goesche
2001-06-15 14:54       ` Xavier Leroy
2001-06-15 15:14         ` Jonathan Coupe
2001-06-15 15:23         ` Nils Goesche
2001-06-15 17:38         ` Sven LUTHER
2001-06-15 20:36           ` Remi VANICAT
2001-06-15 14:16     ` Doug Bagley
2001-06-28 12:54   ` Didier Remy
2001-06-28 18:31     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-06-11 20:33 Arturo Borquez
2001-06-11 21:17 ` Miles Egan
2001-06-12  7:19   ` wester
2001-06-06 16:50 Miles Egan
2001-06-06 17:30 ` Chris Hecker
2001-06-06 18:25 ` Charles Martin
2001-06-06 19:27   ` Michael Hicks
2001-06-06 21:15   ` David Fox
2001-06-07 12:25   ` FabienFleutot
2001-06-08  0:27   ` Miles Egan
2001-06-06 19:36 ` William Chesters
2001-06-06 19:55   ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-06 20:06     ` William Chesters
2001-06-07 16:30       ` John Max Skaller
2001-06-08  0:32   ` Miles Egan
2001-06-08  0:56     ` David Fox
2001-06-07  7:35 ` wester
2001-06-07 17:27   ` John Max Skaller

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