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From: Markus Mottl <mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at>
To: John Prevost <prevost@maya.com>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: Labels and operators
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 16:44:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20000624164420.B5164@miss.wu-wien.ac.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bt0y71f9.fsf@isil.localdomain>; from prevost@maya.com on Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 00:14:02 -0400

On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, John Prevost wrote:
> A friend of mine recently said "if ML had regexp stuff that was as
> convenient as Perl, I'd switch to it for everything", and mentioned =~
> as something he specifically wanted.  So, as I was walking home
> tonight, I thought "hey, I bet I could make some little operators for
> the PCRE library and show him!"

The "=~"-operator itself, as it is normally used in Perl for matching,
is fairly easy to replicate:

  let (=~) str pat = Pcre.pmatch ~pat str

  let _ =
    print_endline (if read_line () =~ "foo" then "has foo!" else "no foo!")

> But, it also occurred to me that you want to use the nice labelled
> optional argument stuff, and I wasn't sure you could do that with
> operators.  Here's what I've discovered.

Well, sometimes we are really struck by the only "two-dimensional" way
in which we can write our sources (top-down + left-right). If we could
write into the depth, there would be an elegant solution for adding
arguments to infix operators...

> The only solution I can think of is something like:
[snip]
> # "foo" =~ re "f";;
> - : bool = true
> # "foo" =~ re "f" ~pos:1;;
> - : bool = false
> 
> Which, well, works, but seems kind of nasty.

I normally try to avoid new operators, but if I wanted to have a somewhat
"powered up" version of "=~", your version here would look fine to me -
just read every piece aloud:

  "foo"      =~                re              "f"       ~pos:1
  "foo" - is matched by - regular expression - "f" - at position one

This is pretty close to the human way of expressing things. (Larry Wall,
the linguist, would be proud of you! ;-)

> since the labelled args could not in any way shape or form be thought
> to go with either expr1 or expr2.  This would lead to things like:
> 
> # "foo" =~ ~pos:1 "f";;
> - : bool = false
> 
> being possible.  Don't know whether it's a great idea, though.

I prefer your first version: "subject", "verb" and "object" are close
together, the additional modifiers only follow afterwards. To my
knowledge, most natural languages would order expressions like this.

Best regards,
Markus Mottl

-- 
Markus Mottl, mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at, http://miss.wu-wien.ac.at/~mottl



  parent reply	other threads:[~2000-06-26 10:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-06-19  4:14 John Prevost
2000-06-22  1:48 ` Ken Wakita
2000-06-22  5:19 ` Jacques Garrigue
2000-06-24 14:44 ` Markus Mottl [this message]
2000-06-24 18:03   ` John Prevost

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