Newsgroup for Caml?

Newsgroup for Caml?

[Daniel de Rauglaudre]

Hello everybody,

Don't you think that we should create a newsgroup for Caml? There is a lot
of messages in this mailing list, and perhaps it could be a way to make Caml
known? Do you have an opinion about that?

-- 
Daniel de RAUGLAUDRE
daniel.de_rauglaudre@inria.fr
http://cristal.inria.fr/~ddr/

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Pierre Weis]

> Don't you think that we should create a newsgroup for Caml? There is a lot
> of messages in this mailing list, and perhaps it could be a way to make Caml
> known? Do you have an opinion about that?

I'm 100% pro :)

Pierre Weis [as the moderator of the Caml list.]

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Markus Mottl]

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Pierre Weis wrote:
> > Don't you think that we should create a newsgroup for Caml? There is a lot
> > of messages in this mailing list, and perhaps it could be a way to make Caml
> > known? Do you have an opinion about that?
> 
> I'm 100% pro :)
> 
> Pierre Weis [as the moderator of the Caml list.]

That's understandable ;-)

I wouldn't mind using a newsgroup. However, there is already one called
"comp.lang.ml", which has very low traffic: seems that people who are
interested in OCaml (= not SML) have all signed up to the mailing list... :)

Instead of creating a new one, the more imperialistically minded among us
might choose to seize power over there...

But I think that the volume on our list is acceptably high to open a
separate newsgroup. This would definitely lead to much more publicity.  The
direct comparison of traffic on both newsgroups would then also allow
people to recognize the better choice ;)

Best regards,
Markus Mottl

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Markus Mottl, mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at, http://miss.wu-wien.ac.at/~mottl

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Jacques Garrigue]

From: Markus Mottl <mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at>

> I wouldn't mind using a newsgroup. However, there is already one called
> "comp.lang.ml", which has very low traffic: seems that people who are
> interested in OCaml (= not SML) have all signed up to the mailing list... :)
> 
> Instead of creating a new one, the more imperialistically minded among us
> might choose to seize power over there...

Well, the problem is that comp.lang.ml is a moderated newsgroup, and
that it is directly tied to the SML mailing list. I see no point in
changing that.

If Pierre is for a newsgroup, it is probably because the flow on the
caml-list is becoming very time-consuming to moderate. So it would
probably be nice to have a non-moderated comp.lang.caml.

Also I'm not sure that people who don't like newsgroups would really
enjoy reading such a non-moderated caml-list, with the flame-wars and
spam one can expect.

What about keeping a moderated caml-list mainly for announcements, the
newsgroup being there for questions and discussions?

I know it's always hard to distinguish, but for me news and mailing
lists are complementary, and I would prefer to have mailing lists
directly pour in my inbox, rather than have to discriminate them to
avoid overflow.

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Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Pierre Weis]

> If Pierre is for a newsgroup, it is probably because the flow on the
> caml-list is becoming very time-consuming to moderate. So it would
> probably be nice to have a non-moderated comp.lang.caml.

Absolutely. This way I would not have the burden to answer directly to
naive questions, that can be sent to the news group.

> Also I'm not sure that people who don't like newsgroups would really
> enjoy reading such a non-moderated caml-list, with the flame-wars and
> spam one can expect.

IMHO, you're absolutely right.

> What about keeping a moderated caml-list mainly for announcements, the
> newsgroup being there for questions and discussions?

Yes, but I would like a slightly more general mailing list, opened to
suggestions (libraries and language design improvements). The rest
(including comparison between Caml and whatever) being freeely posted
to the unmoderated newsgroup.

Pierre Weis

INRIA, Projet Cristal, Pierre.Weis@inria.fr, http://cristal.inria.fr/~weis/

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Benjamin C. Pierce]

> > What about keeping a moderated caml-list mainly for announcements, the
> > newsgroup being there for questions and discussions?
> 
> Yes, but I would like a slightly more general mailing list, opened to
> suggestions (libraries and language design improvements). The rest
> (including comparison between Caml and whatever) being freeely posted
> to the unmoderated newsgroup.

I agree that the volume of traffic on the caml-list is close to
becoming a problem, but I'm not completely happy with the idea of an
unmoderated newsgroup: in my experience, they *always* fill up with
spam, off-topic discussions, and other kinds of garbage.  I would
personally not read such a newsgroup.  

One of the best things about the caml language at the moment is that
it has such a strong community of developers and power-users.
Maintaining a *high-quality* (= carefully moderated) channel of
communication is one of the most important ways of keeping this
community together.

If answering newbie questions is getting to be too much work, why not
redirect them to comp.lang.ml? -- after all, there are plenty of
newbie SML questions there.  

    -- B

P.S.  I do know that dealing with mailing list moderation takes time:
the Types list (www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/types) often gets 10 or 20
postings in a day, of which I usually end up rejecting or responding
myself to more than 2/3.  But having a high-signal-to-noise forum for
that community (like this one) seems valuable and I don't see any
other way to achieve it than somebody doing significant work on
filtering messages.

P.P.S.  Moving some or all of the caml-list discussions to a
*moderated* newsgroup might be worth considering (I agree that these
are easier to manage for readers), but I believe even moderated usenet
groups are pretty easy to spam.

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Michael Vanier]

> Cc: garrigue@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp (Jacques Garrigue),
> 	caml-list@inria.fr
>
> I agree that the volume of traffic on the caml-list is close to
> becoming a problem, but I'm not completely happy with the idea of an
> unmoderated newsgroup: in my experience, they *always* fill up with
> spam, off-topic discussions, and other kinds of garbage.  I would
> personally not read such a newsgroup.  

As a counter-example, look at comp.lang.python.  There is very little spam,
and the quality of postings is extremely high.  I suspect that people who
like nice languages like ocaml (and python!) are more likely to be
well-behaved than the average usenet poster :-)  Also, I think it's less
intimidating for beginners like myself to post to a newsgroup with a silly
question than to a mailing list.  comp.lang.ml has always had a strong SML
bias (due, no doubt, to this mailing list providing an alternative forum),
and a very low volume, perhaps due to the moderation.  I would rather see
comp.lang.ml.caml or comp.lang.caml than just redirecting news to
comp.lang.ml; how many of us actually read it?  Also, I fear pointless SML
vs. CAML flame wars might develop if all the caml traffic were to go to
c.l.ml.

However, a "caml-announce" mailing list would be a very good thing.

Mike

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Markus Mottl]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Jacques Garrigue wrote:
> > Instead of creating a new one, the more imperialistically minded among us
> > might choose to seize power over there...
> 
> Well, the problem is that comp.lang.ml is a moderated newsgroup, and
> that it is directly tied to the SML mailing list. I see no point in
> changing that.

I was only joking ;-)

But in any case: traffic is really low there. I could imagine that
it would be beneficial for the ML-communities not to split up too
much. People look for newsgroups with high traffic, because this improves
the chance of discussing a topic of their interest.

Additionally, people would see that there are several ML-flavours around,
in other terms: the general style of ML is obviously a reasonable one
to adopt/learn.

A beginner will probably find out more easily about advantages and
drawbacks of the specific flavours and implementations if he has a
newsgroup where both sides can argue.

Although a separate newsgroup for Caml would still have a chance of
thriving, some "cultural" intermixture might lead to fruitful (and
hopefully flameless ;) discussions.

Pierre's proposal to still have a list for implementation specific
suggestions seems reasonable. One could cross-post messages from the
maintainers to the newsgroup.

> Also I'm not sure that people who don't like newsgroups would really
> enjoy reading such a non-moderated caml-list, with the flame-wars and
> spam one can expect.

Mailing lists, too, can contain flame wars - but here you cannot "escape"
so easily, because it clutters your mailbox.

> I know it's always hard to distinguish, but for me news and mailing
> lists are complementary, and I would prefer to have mailing lists
> directly pour in my inbox, rather than have to discriminate them to
> avoid overflow.

I personally can live with both alternatives. The question is whether
Pierre wants to become a full-time list moderator or prefers to do
some research...

Best regards,
Markus Mottl

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Markus Mottl, mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at, http://miss.wu-wien.ac.at/~mottl

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Sven LUTHER]

On Thu, Jun 15, 2000 at 12:07:49PM +0900, Jacques Garrigue wrote:
> From: Markus Mottl <mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at>
> 
> > I wouldn't mind using a newsgroup. However, there is already one called
> > "comp.lang.ml", which has very low traffic: seems that people who are
> > interested in OCaml (= not SML) have all signed up to the mailing list... :)
> > 
> > Instead of creating a new one, the more imperialistically minded among us
> > might choose to seize power over there...
> 
> Well, the problem is that comp.lang.ml is a moderated newsgroup, and
> that it is directly tied to the SML mailing list. I see no point in
> changing that.
> 
> If Pierre is for a newsgroup, it is probably because the flow on the
> caml-list is becoming very time-consuming to moderate. So it would
> probably be nice to have a non-moderated comp.lang.caml.
> 
> Also I'm not sure that people who don't like newsgroups would really
> enjoy reading such a non-moderated caml-list, with the flame-wars and
> spam one can expect.
> 
> What about keeping a moderated caml-list mainly for announcements, the
> newsgroup being there for questions and discussions?
> 
> I know it's always hard to distinguish, but for me news and mailing
> lists are complementary, and I would prefer to have mailing lists
> directly pour in my inbox, rather than have to discriminate them to
> avoid overflow.

What would be the problem with two mailing list, one moderated, the other not. 

Then on top of this two, you add a news bridge, so people who want news style
access can get it. and people prefering mails can have that too.

Beside, most good mail reader/mail setups have facilities to sort mail in
different mail boxes, and to offer threaded mail reading, which much
facilitate the lecture of high traffic mailing lists.

One thing that would be nice to do though would be to clearly labelate the
mail comming from the caml lists, since this is not done as of today, and i
have to have lot of differentrules in procmail just for caml-list :

:0                      # Caml
* ^ Resent-To: .*caml-redist@pauillac.inria.fr
lists/caml
:0                      # Caml
* ^CC: .*caml-list@inria.fr
lists/caml
:0                      # Caml
* ^Sender: .*Pierre.Weis@inria.fr
lists/caml
:0                      # Caml
* ^Resent-To: .*caml-redistribution@pauillac.inria.fr
lists/caml
:0                      # Caml
* ^Cc: .*caml-redistribution@pauillac.inria.fr
lists/caml
:0                      # Caml
* ^To: .*caml-redistribution@pauillac.inria.fr
lists/caml

a X-Mailing-List or something such should be fine.

Friendly,

Svne LUTHER

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Jean-Yves Moyen]

On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Pierre Weis wrote:

> > Don't you think that we should create a newsgroup for Caml? There is a lot
> > of messages in this mailing list, and perhaps it could be a way to make Caml
> > known? Do you have an opinion about that?
> 
> I'm 100% pro :)
> 
> Pierre Weis [as the moderator of the Caml list.]

Well, I just guess something like the already existing inria.caml
newsgroup won't be a too bad idea...
Actually there's already a few messages in it.

Hypocoristiquement,
Jym.

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Michael Vanier]

> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:05:27 +0200
> From: Daniel de Rauglaudre <daniel.de_rauglaudre@inria.fr>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Sender: Pierre.Weis@inria.fr
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> Don't you think that we should create a newsgroup for Caml? There is a lot
> of messages in this mailing list, and perhaps it could be a way to make Caml
> known? Do you have an opinion about that?
> 
> -- 
> Daniel de RAUGLAUDRE
> daniel.de_rauglaudre@inria.fr
> http://cristal.inria.fr/~ddr/
> 
> 

I think this is an excellent idea.  I much prefer newsgroups to mailing
lists because newsgroups don't clutter up my inbox on subjects I'm not
interested in (or only slightly interested in), and it's easy to go back
and read messages later.  One suggestion: keep an archive of the newsgroup
postings on the Caml web site so we don't have to rely on DejaNews for
older posts :-)

Mike

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Xavier Leroy]

> Don't you think that we should create a newsgroup for Caml? There is a lot
> of messages in this mailing list, and perhaps it could be a way to make Caml
> known? Do you have an opinion about that?

As Dave Berry said, there is already a newsgroup for Caml: it's called
comp.lang.ml and, according to its charter, covers all ML dialects,
including SML and Caml.

Given this, we can't create a newsgroup comp.lang.caml.  First,
the traffic on comp.lang.ml isn't sufficient to justify a split into e.g.
.caml and .sml.  Second, I think it's better to present a "unified ML view"
(SML and Caml as dialects of ML) to the outside world rather than a
split view.  (Similarly, there's comp.lang.functional, but not
comp.lang.haskell, comp.lang.clean, comp.lang.miranda, etc.)

So, anyone who'd like to discuss Caml on the News is welcome to do it
on comp.lang.ml.  (The Caml Web pages as well as the README in the
distrib mention this newsgroup.)

The fact that there is so little discussion of Caml on comp.lang.ml,
and actually so little discussion at all on comp.lang.ml, simply means
that few persons want to have Caml-related discussions on the News.
This is not a contradiction with the relatively high traffic on the
Caml list: mailing lists and newsgroups have different profiles, both
in terms of who posts where, and in terms of the kind of discussions
that take place.

Being an old timer, I remember what happened when the SML mailing list
was turned into the comp.lang.ml newsgroup: a number of regular
posters on the mailing list (e.g. Robin Milner himself) stopped
posting, and the level of discussions dropped significantly.  (This,
despite the installation of a mailing-list/newsgroup gateway.)

I'd rather not see the same thing happen with the Caml list.  Even if
it's a bit noisy at times, the discussions on the list are of a much
higher quality than what you find on newsgroups, even moderated comp.*
newsgroups.

I'm conscious the volume on the Caml list is a bit too high for some
tastes.  A solution we've considered and almost implemented is to have
two extra mailing lists:

- a "digest" version of the Caml list, with e.g. one big message per week
  (for "silent lurkers" who'd like to follow the discussions, but don't
   post often, and don't want their mailbox flooded);

- an "announce" list reserved for announcing releases, new software,
  and major events, i.e. with very low traffic
  (for those who don't want to follow the discussions).

I believe this would work much better than going through the News.

- Xavier Leroy

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Niall Dalton]

> I'd rather not see the same thing happen with the Caml list.  Even if
> it's a bit noisy at times, the discussions on the list are of a much
> higher quality than what you find on newsgroups, even moderated comp.*
> newsgroups.
This is certainly true. As a 'silent lurker' who enjoys caml
but does not use it on a daily basis, I still appreciate the
quality of the posts and the list as a way to stay in touch
with the community. 

> I believe this would work much better than going through the News.
For me it is. Also I use some simple filters to keep all the list
mails in a separate folder which I can ignore when I'm too busy to
read them. Not ideal, but no more work that scanning a newsgroup
when I have time to clean them out.

All the best,
Niall

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Research Engineer (Compilers)			
Silicomp Research Institute			http://www.ri.silicomp.com

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Daniel de Rauglaudre]

> For me it is. Also I use some simple filters to keep all the list
> mails in a separate folder which I can ignore when I'm too busy to
> read them.

Actually, it's what I do also. I was annoyed to hear bursts of beeps (by
xbiff) on my station and now, the caml-list goes directly to a folder.

Eventually, I use it like a newsgroup... It's the reason of my initial
message.

-- 
Daniel de RAUGLAUDRE
daniel.de_rauglaudre@inria.fr
http://cristal.inria.fr/~ddr/

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Jacques Garrigue]

From: Xavier Leroy <Xavier.Leroy@inria.fr>

> The fact that there is so little discussion of Caml on comp.lang.ml,
> and actually so little discussion at all on comp.lang.ml, simply means
> that few persons want to have Caml-related discussions on the News.
> This is not a contradiction with the relatively high traffic on the
> Caml list: mailing lists and newsgroups have different profiles, both
> in terms of who posts where, and in terms of the kind of discussions
> that take place.

I am personally an adept of newgroups (at least as reader), but for
various reasons, amongst which the fact almost all postings seem to be
SML related, I generally refrain to post on comp.lang.ml, except for
software announcements.
I'm not even sure all ocaml announcement were there.

> I'm conscious the volume on the Caml list is a bit too high for some
> tastes.  A solution we've considered and almost implemented is to have
> two extra mailing lists:
> 
> - a "digest" version of the Caml list, with e.g. one big message per week
>   (for "silent lurkers" who'd like to follow the discussions, but don't
>    post often, and don't want their mailbox flooded);
>
> - an "announce" list reserved for announcing releases, new software,
>   and major events, i.e. with very low traffic
>   (for those who don't want to follow the discussions).
> 
> I believe this would work much better than going through the News.

If we keep all of the current caml-list in the digest, I'm afraid it
will be rather indigest.
What about splitting it in 2 or 3:
  * caml-list, and an optional caml-announce for moderated discussions
    and announces
  * caml-users for free questions and unmoderated discussion.
In a transition phase, the moderator could choose to repost things to
caml-announce and caml-users when he thinks that this fits there.

Having several lists, with a good web interface (the current one seems
buggy, and does not support presenting results in pages), and
automatized registration procedure, may indeed be an alternative to a
newsgroup.

I feel it much easier to casually go and see what is happening on a
newsgroup, rather than register and unregister from a mailing-list,
but the web interface can somehow play this role for casual readers.
Even better if it would remember which messages you have read and
which you didn't (cookie specialists around ?).

        Jacques

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Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Alexander I. Zhezherun]

> - a "digest" version of the Caml list, with e.g. one big message per week
>   (for "silent lurkers" who'd like to follow the discussions, but don't
>    post often, and don't want their mailbox flooded);
> 
> - an "announce" list reserved for announcing releases, new software,
>   and major events, i.e. with very low traffic
>   (for those who don't want to follow the discussions).
> 
> I believe this would work much better than going through the News.
> 
> - Xavier Leroy

I am a "silent lurker" :-)

I read all messages on the list and have no problems with its traffic.

Personally I strongly prefer mailing-lists to newsgroups.

All the best,
Alexander Zhezherun

RE: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Dave Berry]

I prefer a mailing list.  It's much much much easier for me to read mail
than to read Usenet.  And newsgroups tend to get swamped with irrelevant
posts.

Maybe someone could set up a gateway between mailing list and a newsgroup,
complete with spam filters?

Dave.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Weis [mailto:Pierre.Weis@inria.fr]
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:53 PM
To: daniel.de_rauglaudre@inria.fr
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for Caml?


> Don't you think that we should create a newsgroup for Caml? There is a lot
> of messages in this mailing list, and perhaps it could be a way to make
Caml
> known? Do you have an opinion about that?

I'm 100% pro :)

Pierre Weis [as the moderator of the Caml list.]

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Sven LUTHER]

On Tue, Jun 13, 2000 at 06:02:00PM +0100, Dave Berry wrote:
> I prefer a mailing list.  It's much much much easier for me to read mail
> than to read Usenet.  And newsgroups tend to get swamped with irrelevant
> posts.
> 
> Maybe someone could set up a gateway between mailing list and a newsgroup,
> complete with spam filters?

Yes, yes, ...

a news gateway would be a nice solution, it works nicely for other lists i am
subscribed to.

Personnaly, i never read newsgroup, ...

Friendly,

Sven LUTHER

RE: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Dave Berry]

The comp.lang.ml newsgroup is gatewayed to and from the ML mailing list.
These were set up to discuss all dialects of ML (that's why the newsgroup is
called comp.lang.ml instead of comp.lang.sml, and the same for the mailing
list).  So you wouldn't be "seizing power", you would be like lost sheep
returning to the fold.  The number of postings would clearly show which
implementation is the more active.

Dave.


-----Original Message-----
From: Markus Mottl [mailto:mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 12:19 AM
To: Pierre Weis
Cc: OCAML
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for Caml?


On Tue, 13 Jun 2000, Pierre Weis wrote:
> > Don't you think that we should create a newsgroup for Caml? There is a
lot
> > of messages in this mailing list, and perhaps it could be a way to make
Caml
> > known? Do you have an opinion about that?
> 
> I'm 100% pro :)
> 
> Pierre Weis [as the moderator of the Caml list.]

That's understandable ;-)

I wouldn't mind using a newsgroup. However, there is already one called
"comp.lang.ml", which has very low traffic: seems that people who are
interested in OCaml (= not SML) have all signed up to the mailing list... :)

Instead of creating a new one, the more imperialistically minded among us
might choose to seize power over there...

But I think that the volume on our list is acceptably high to open a
separate newsgroup. This would definitely lead to much more publicity.  The
direct comparison of traffic on both newsgroups would then also allow
people to recognize the better choice ;)

Best regards,
Markus Mottl

-- 
Markus Mottl, mottl@miss.wu-wien.ac.at, http://miss.wu-wien.ac.at/~mottl

Re: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Damien Doligez]

>From: Jacques Garrigue <garrigue@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp>

>What about keeping a moderated caml-list mainly for announcements, the
>newsgroup being there for questions and discussions?
>
>I know it's always hard to distinguish, but for me news and mailing
>lists are complementary, and I would prefer to have mailing lists
>directly pour in my inbox, rather than have to discriminate them to
>avoid overflow.


I am in complete agreement with all the arguments given by Jacques.

-- Damien

RE: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Dave Berry]

It is possible to block spam from a newsgroup:

- create a "moderated" newsgroup, with an e-mail address for submissions
- put a spam filter on the submission address
- gateway the submission address directly to the newsgroup (with no manual
intervention)

I think the comp.lang.dylan/info-dylan newsgroup/mailing list works like
this.  I know the list is gatewayed to and from the group, and I'm fairly
certain it isn't actively moderated.

It might be possible to filter out cross-postings as well.

Dave.


-----Original Message-----
From: Pierre Weis [mailto:Pierre.Weis@inria.fr]
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 12:29 PM
To: garrigue@kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: Newsgroup for Caml?


> If Pierre is for a newsgroup, it is probably because the flow on the
> caml-list is becoming very time-consuming to moderate. So it would
> probably be nice to have a non-moderated comp.lang.caml.

Absolutely. This way I would not have the burden to answer directly to
naive questions, that can be sent to the news group.

> Also I'm not sure that people who don't like newsgroups would really
> enjoy reading such a non-moderated caml-list, with the flame-wars and
> spam one can expect.

IMHO, you're absolutely right.

> What about keeping a moderated caml-list mainly for announcements, the
> newsgroup being there for questions and discussions?

Yes, but I would like a slightly more general mailing list, opened to
suggestions (libraries and language design improvements). The rest
(including comparison between Caml and whatever) being freeely posted
to the unmoderated newsgroup.

Pierre Weis

INRIA, Projet Cristal, Pierre.Weis@inria.fr, http://cristal.inria.fr/~weis/

RE: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Brent Fulgham]

> I read all messages on the list and have no problems with its traffic.
> 
> Personally I strongly prefer mailing-lists to newsgroups.
>
I agree.  I do not have newsgroup access behind my work firewall.  E-mail
is the only way I could see CAML-list related postings.

Regards,
-Brent

RE: Newsgroup for Caml?

[Jean-Francois Monin]

A number of companies put restrictions on the use of newsgroups,
making them much less convenient than mailing-lists for their
employees.

Personnally I also prefer the high quality mailing-list we have now.
If a newsgroup is created, I would suggest that selected posts are
redirected to the list and that all message to the mailing list are
automatically redirected to the newsgroup.

  Jean-Francois Monin