From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.105]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id pB68P93i019011 for ; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:25:09 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgoBAMDQ3U7RVdY2kGdsb2JhbABEqlMIIgEBAQEJCQ0HFAQhggsCJgYBASwMTkYBBQFJDodnl1QKijOEHAGOQweIGoI1Y6JWPYN4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,304,1320620400"; d="scan'208";a="122183996" Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com ([209.85.214.54]) by mail4-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/RC4-SHA; 06 Dec 2011 09:25:04 +0100 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2so12394612bka.27 for ; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:25:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:message-id :to:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=zAdADdL4kSC2p0uPKPLLMIkpo7z/TG2I1W9a9xOPTF8=; b=OG2cV6bLjH/sL9NWbplqXjc1f/AXCMylxWTAonzPIF4tkmveKH5QVdmIRG4Js5cdEc PDeKXHr4QvZVnvoPOnnjJmolpj2WzvK1VFFlgzf0sRN7N0MIPCsvBQBIpCmDa0BBeH8G PY5G+UGUXPyZyOVwTlT/gQUC820GzOLTnPMus= Received: by 10.180.106.65 with SMTP id gs1mr16364438wib.42.1323159903766; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:25:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from coruscant.kosmos.all (ip-95-223-170-32.unitymediagroup.de. [95.223.170.32]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gd6sm32475609wbb.1.2011.12.06.00.25.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:25:02 -0800 (PST) From: Benedikt Meurer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:25:02 +0100 Message-Id: <1B0D83BD-1902-4F7C-B3FB-B759122D6AB9@googlemail.com> To: caml-list@inria.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by walapai.inria.fr id pB68P93i019011 Subject: [Caml-list] OCaml maintenance status / community fork Dear caml-list, During the last year or two it seems that time and interest in OCaml maintenance from the official OCaml development team is diminishing. It takes several months to get a patch reviewed (if at all), which is quite frustrating for OCaml contributors and even worse for OCaml users. I suspect that this is one of the top reasons why there are only a few active contributors to OCaml (and the number of active users, at least on the mailing list, is declining). I understand that INRIA does not necessarily pay people for full time maintenance jobs on OCaml (and Coq), and the official dev team is probably already doing as much as possible to maintain OCaml. Given that OCaml is such a nice language with a lot of useful frameworks available, it is too sad to see it loosing ground just because of it's closed development process and lack of time of the official team. I'd therefore propose to open up OCaml development to a wider range of developers / contributors, to ensure that OCaml will be ready for the (functional programming) future. There are already various "OCaml forks" in the wild, with different goals and patch sets, so simply starting another fork would be rather useless. Instead I'd suggest to bundle efforts in a new "OCaml community fork", which is always based on the most recent upstream OCaml release (starting point would be 3.12.1 for now), and takes care to review and integrate pending patches as well as developing and testing new features. Let's say we'd name the fork "OCaml-ng", then we'd try to release a new patch set every month or two, based on the official OCaml release, i.e. "ocaml-3.12.1+ng201112" and so on, to get early testing and feedback (should work together closely with the Debian/Ubuntu/etc. OCaml maintainers). With this process, OCaml upstream could merge (tested) patches from OCaml-ng once they proved working in the wild, and thereby 1. maintenance overhead for INRIA people is reduced, 2. maintenance status of OCaml would be way better, 3. there would be a lot less frustration for possible contributors, and 4. users benefit from a better and more up to date OCaml. Now that does of course raise a few questions: 1. What is the opinion of the official development team / INRIA on this? 2. Who would help with the community fork? 3. What about infrastructure? Feedback and suggestions are welcome. Benedikt