From: William Chesters <williamc@dai.ed.ac.uk>
To: Gerd.Stolpmann@darmstadt.netsurf.de
Cc: William Chesters <williamc@dai.ed.ac.uk>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: speed versus C
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:26:55 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <199910080026.BAA03378@toy.william.bogus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <99100800064700.23684@ice>
Gerd Stolpmann writes:
> >For me, the kind of elegance and beauty you want in a language
> >comes not from constructing castles in the air, but from using
> >abstract ideas to understand the real world better. ocaml says
> >"look, this is what you really mean when you write machine code".
>
> I agree only partly. [...] For example, I cannot even imagine an
> assembler program that uses closures (paraphrased by machine
> instructions); there is always a much simpler way to get the same
> effect.
OK, how about this real life example from the Linux kernel:
error = file->f_op->read(inode,file,buf,count);
Here, `file' is a faked object, with `vtbl' = `f_op' and `this' passed
in the second argument. And what is a closure if not an object with
one method :-) ? I think this is quite a natural idiom to use, even
in assembler---especially once one has seen how it can be given a nice
meaning within a higher level framework like C++ or indeed Caml.
> I like Caml because it does not waste resources, and because it
> shows how cheap abstraction can be.
I can but agree ... (Though I'd argue that's because it sticks to
abstractions that "ornament" the low-level computational model without
"obscuring" it :-) .)
> I have done some benchmarks in the meantime:
Thanks, they were interesting (I was wrong about vectors being quicker
to construct).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~1999-10-08 10:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
1999-10-03 21:35 Jan Brosius
1999-10-04 21:59 ` skaller
1999-10-05 23:22 ` chet
1999-10-06 10:22 ` skaller
1999-10-05 20:20 ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-06 15:21 ` William Chesters
1999-10-06 22:49 ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-07 10:26 ` Michel Quercia
1999-10-07 10:46 ` William Chesters
1999-10-07 15:48 ` Pierre Weis
1999-10-07 19:21 ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-08 0:26 ` William Chesters [this message]
1999-10-10 16:27 ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-10 20:48 ` William Chesters
1999-10-10 23:54 ` Alain Frisch
1999-10-11 17:58 ` William Chesters
1999-10-12 14:36 ` Ocaml Machine (was Re: speed versus C) Alain Frisch
1999-10-12 15:32 ` David Monniaux
1999-10-12 15:42 ` Alain Frisch
1999-10-11 19:32 ` speed versus C John Prevost
1999-10-11 20:50 ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-12 20:07 ` skaller
1999-10-08 9:56 ` Pierre Weis
1999-10-07 15:25 ` Markus Mottl
1999-10-07 6:56 ` skaller
1999-10-07 12:37 ` Xavier Urbain
1999-10-07 22:18 ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-08 19:15 ` skaller
1999-10-08 13:40 ` Anton Moscal
1999-10-06 7:58 ` Reply to: " Jens Olsson
1999-10-07 13:00 STARYNKEVITCH Basile
1999-10-08 6:57 Pascal Brisset
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.03.9910081713230.31666-100001@post.tepkom.ru>
1999-10-10 4:51 ` skaller
1999-10-11 9:08 ` Anton Moscal
1999-10-12 13:21 Damien Doligez
1999-10-12 20:42 ` skaller
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