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From: William Chesters <williamc@dai.ed.ac.uk>
To: Gerd.Stolpmann@darmstadt.netsurf.de
Cc: William Chesters <williamc@dai.ed.ac.uk>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: speed versus C
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:26:55 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <199910080026.BAA03378@toy.william.bogus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <99100800064700.23684@ice>

Gerd Stolpmann writes: 
 > >For me, the kind of elegance and beauty you want in a language
 > >comes not from constructing castles in the air, but from using
 > >abstract ideas to understand the real world better.  ocaml says
 > >"look, this is what you really mean when you write machine code".
 > 
 > I agree only partly. [...] For example, I cannot even imagine an
 > assembler program that uses closures (paraphrased by machine
 > instructions); there is always a much simpler way to get the same
 > effect.

OK, how about this real life example from the Linux kernel:

	error = file->f_op->read(inode,file,buf,count);

Here, `file' is a faked object, with `vtbl' = `f_op' and `this' passed
in the second argument.  And what is a closure if not an object with
one method :-) ?  I think this is quite a natural idiom to use, even
in assembler---especially once one has seen how it can be given a nice
meaning within a higher level framework like C++ or indeed Caml.

 > I like Caml because it does not waste resources, and because it
 > shows how cheap abstraction can be.

I can but agree ...  (Though I'd argue that's because it sticks to
abstractions that "ornament" the low-level computational model without
"obscuring" it :-) .)

 > I have done some benchmarks in the meantime:

Thanks, they were interesting (I was wrong about vectors being quicker
to construct).




  reply	other threads:[~1999-10-08 10:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1999-10-03 21:35 Jan Brosius
1999-10-04 21:59 ` skaller
1999-10-05 23:22   ` chet
1999-10-06 10:22     ` skaller
1999-10-05 20:20 ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-06 15:21   ` William Chesters
1999-10-06 22:49     ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-07 10:26       ` Michel Quercia
1999-10-07 10:46       ` William Chesters
1999-10-07 15:48         ` Pierre Weis
1999-10-07 19:21         ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-08  0:26           ` William Chesters [this message]
1999-10-10 16:27             ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-10 20:48               ` William Chesters
1999-10-10 23:54                 ` Alain Frisch
1999-10-11 17:58                   ` William Chesters
1999-10-12 14:36                     ` Ocaml Machine (was Re: speed versus C) Alain Frisch
1999-10-12 15:32                       ` David Monniaux
1999-10-12 15:42                         ` Alain Frisch
1999-10-11 19:32                   ` speed versus C John Prevost
1999-10-11 20:50                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-12 20:07                   ` skaller
1999-10-08  9:56           ` Pierre Weis
1999-10-07 15:25     ` Markus Mottl
1999-10-07  6:56   ` skaller
1999-10-07 12:37     ` Xavier Urbain
1999-10-07 22:18     ` Gerd Stolpmann
1999-10-08 19:15       ` skaller
1999-10-08 13:40   ` Anton Moscal
1999-10-06  7:58 ` Reply to: " Jens Olsson
1999-10-07 13:00 STARYNKEVITCH Basile
1999-10-08  6:57 Pascal Brisset
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.03.9910081713230.31666-100001@post.tepkom.ru>
1999-10-10  4:51 ` skaller
1999-10-11  9:08   ` Anton Moscal
1999-10-12 13:21 Damien Doligez
1999-10-12 20:42 ` skaller

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