From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) by walapai.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p43Lxxaq023233 for ; Tue, 3 May 2011 23:59:59 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq4CAId6wE3U4366kWdsb2JhbACEUaFOFAEBAQEJCwsHFCWIcqwvkRwCgSiDV4EBBIlWiVyKGg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.64,311,1301868000"; d="scan'208";a="98633116" Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]) by mail2-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 03 May 2011 23:59:53 +0200 Received: from office1.lan.sumadev.de (dslb-094-219-219-157.pools.arcor-ip.net [94.219.219.157]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MEn74-1QXGc12ACw-00G2ri; Tue, 03 May 2011 23:59:51 +0200 Received: from [192.168.5.106] (dslb-094-219-219-157.pools.arcor-ip.net [94.219.219.157]) by office1.lan.sumadev.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2B4665F701; Tue, 3 May 2011 23:59:51 +0200 (CEST) From: Gerd Stolpmann To: Mehdi Dogguy Cc: caml-list@inria.fr In-Reply-To: <4DC06ADA.9030108@pps.jussieu.fr> References: <1304444979.3782.154.camel@thinkpad> <4DC06ADA.9030108@pps.jussieu.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 23:59:49 +0200 Message-ID: <1304459989.3782.193.camel@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:oX+NKd7gMOk4wGe3AK6KXyydNb2AagwV/R7kUXtUMJE Zmv2IKR+9vaGMw3/6v6iO2wosvpq4t/isI1zk/4ceZqpLEMk7V JlJ2p98oy4rMxvFvCkeNrNKYVLrR8geEXoNik2EfXEwDCd0VKD 84Hca5IuQPQVWcw/WBIRg5u8dvdV+0AxoqcKt6CYll3HK/imoR z9Sj4cUbcLNUnfemqxBZA== Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by walapai.inria.fr id p43Lxxaq023233 Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Warning: Ubuntu 11.04 Vs OCaml 3.12.0 Am Dienstag, den 03.05.2011, 22:51 +0200 schrieb Mehdi Dogguy: > On 05/03/2011 07:49 PM, Gerd Stolpmann wrote: > > Am Dienstag, den 03.05.2011, 18:47 +0200 schrieb Gabriel Scherer: > >> Would it be possible for Ubuntu users to use the Debian packages, > >> which already have the bugfix patch included? > > > > Tsts. > > > > Thanks to Virgile Prevosto the patch is already in GODI, though not > > yet released. I'll take care of this later today. > > > > A source-based distribution can react quite fast on this type of > > problem. > > > > That's hilarious (as a statement). This patch has been applied and > released (since last March 9th) in a binary distribution (namely > Debian). So, I quite don't understand your statement. The statement is that a source-based distribution can adapt quickly to a changing environment. What's the problem with this? We are aware of this problem since yesterday, and we do something the day later. I do not make any statement (if you read carefully) whether GODI or Debian is better. Such comparisons are stupid. Well, Ubuntu is another case, as we all know that Ubuntu does not care about the quality of their ocaml packages. > IMO, It depends > on the manpower behind (and maybe dev tools and release process). > But I don't see where you gain to have a source-based distribution > to address this kind of issues (except for the build time… but that's > ridiculous). Debian is in the lucky situation that they provide both the environment for ocaml and ocaml. So yes, they can fix the problems they created in their own environment :-) - Ubuntu is already a different story, they provide binary packages without any QA process. The worst case is when you have a binary distribution of ocaml for an OS you do not control. Sometimes the only possible fix is then to check at runtime (!) whether you are in a problematic environment or not. Ask Windows users how this feels. I hope you get my point. "Binary" does not necessarily mean "as good as Debian". > The real problem of Ubuntu (wrt. OCaml) is that OCaml has no maintainer. > And, we also see that with GODI. manpower is lacking and you weren't able > to release a fix until today, although the patch was there since quite > some time now. (Not blaming anyone here, just stating a fact). Well, nobody told us. I don't see this as a real problem, though, because we get problem reports when the first user runs into the problem, and then we can fix it asap. We fortunately don't have to synchronize with a given release timeline. > But oh well, maybe all this is off-topic. Manpower is certainly an issue (for all ocaml distros). I'm currently working on a plan how to improve this for GODI. Don't know whether it works, though. Regarding Ubuntu, maybe we should ask them to remove their ocaml packages from their distribution as long as they do not do QA. Gerd > Regards, > -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Gerd Stolpmann, Bad Nauheimer Str.3, 64289 Darmstadt,Germany gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de http://www.gerd-stolpmann.de Phone: +49-6151-153855 Fax: +49-6151-997714 ------------------------------------------------------------