From: Nicolas Pouillard <nicolas.pouillard@gmail.com>
To: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
Cc: Peng Zang <peng.zang@gmail.com>,
Jon Harrop <jon@ffconsultancy.com>,
caml-list <caml-list@yquem.inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] stl?
Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 22:43:48 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1236200892-sup-9751@ausone.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.0903041030490.7859@beast>
Excerpts from Brian Hurt's message of Wed Mar 04 17:14:50 +0100 2009:
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> On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Peng Zang wrote:
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> > On Wednesday 04 March 2009 01:11:18 am Brian Hurt wrote:
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> > But I'll add one more reason. With functors you have extra overhead like
> > having to be explicit with what function you're using. In your example when
> > you want to use Newton's method you always must write "RatioNewton.newtons"
> > or "FloatNewtons.newtons". The alternative is to functorize the call site,
> > but (1) that has its own cost: lots of boilerplate functorizing code crowding
> > the real code and (2) you just defer the explicit naming cost as when that
> > function is called you'll still have to call either Float version or Ratio
> > version.
>
> Yeah. I think of this as one of the advantages of Functors.
>
> Here are two real problems I've hit with type classes, in only a few weeks
> banging around in Haskell.
>
> For example, you can't have more than one instance of a type class for any
> given type. So let's say you want to have a type class for things that
> can be converted to and from s-expressions, like:
[...]
> Now, I comment you *can* do this in Haskell- using GHC specific
> extensions. But you don't need fancy extensions (which cause problems in
> the type checker, if I understand things correctly) to do this, quite
> easily, with functors.
Haskell `newtype's is a pretty reasonable answer to this problem.
A `newtype' is a bit like a type with only one constructor of only one argument,
except that there is no runtime cost for it. However by being a *new* type one
can define different instances of type classes for it. Moreover since the
deriving feature is extended on `newtype's, retrieving all the goodness of
the wrapped type is costless (deriving newtype is easy since generally the
code justs virtually unpacks and re-packs using the constructor and call
the same functions on the wrapped value).
Examples:
\begin{code}
{-# LANGUAGE GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving #-}
import Data.List
import Data.Function
newtype MySet a = MkMySet { toList :: [a] } -- here toList is an accessor
-- function (MySet a -> [a])
deriving (Read,Show,Functor,Monad) -- ...
norm :: Ord a => MySet a -> [a]
norm = nub . sort . toList
instance (Ord a) => Eq (MySet a) where (==) = (==) `on` norm
instance (Ord a) => Ord (MySet a) where compare = compare `on` norm
propMySet = MkMySet [1,2,3,4] == MkMySet [1,1,2,4,3]
\end{code}
Or another one:
\begin{code}
newtype DownInt = DownInt { fromDownInt :: Int }
deriving (Eq,Read,Show,Enum,Num)
instance Ord DownInt where compare = flip compare `on` fromDownInt
-- same as compare x y = fromDownInt y `compare` fromDownInt x
propDownInt = DownInt 4 < DownInt 2
-- this example is contrived since sortBy would be simpler here
-- however in larger examples the benifit is clearer, for instance
-- List.sort is not in a functor in OCaml.
sortDownInt :: [Int] -> [Int]
sortDownInt = map fromDownInt . sort . map DownInt
propDownInt' = [4,3,2,1] == sortDownInt [1,2,3,4]
-- since DownInt is in the Num class (an explicit choice
-- from the definition of DownInt), literals can be
-- freely lifted to DownInt.
propDownInt'' = [4,3,2,1] == sort [(1::DownInt),2,3,4]
\end{code}
Note that one can generalize `DownInt' as `Down' and get an easy
way to reverse the order on a type.
Since that, I personally consider type-classes goodness more valuable
than functors usage that doesn't fall in that category.
All the best,
--
Nicolas Pouillard
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-03-04 21:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-03-03 21:40 stl? Raoul Duke
2009-03-03 22:31 ` [Caml-list] stl? Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-03 22:42 ` Till Varoquaux
2009-03-03 23:36 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 0:13 ` Peng Zang
2009-03-04 0:58 ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 1:10 ` Raoul Duke
2009-03-04 1:19 ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-04 1:21 ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 1:29 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 14:26 ` Kuba Ober
2009-03-04 14:24 ` Kuba Ober
2009-03-03 23:42 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 0:11 ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 1:05 ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 4:56 ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 20:11 ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 21:59 ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 22:42 ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 23:19 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 23:03 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-11 3:16 ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-11 5:57 ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2009-03-11 6:11 ` David Rajchenbach-Teller
2009-03-04 1:59 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 6:11 ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 14:08 ` Christophe TROESTLER
2009-03-04 14:19 ` Peng Zang
2009-03-04 16:14 ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 16:35 ` Andreas Rossberg
2009-03-04 16:40 ` Peng Zang
2009-03-04 21:43 ` Nicolas Pouillard [this message]
2009-03-05 11:24 ` Wolfgang Lux
2009-03-04 19:45 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 21:23 ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 23:17 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05 2:26 ` stl? Stefan Monnier
2009-03-04 3:10 ` [Caml-list] stl? Martin Jambon
2009-03-04 6:18 ` Brian Hurt
2009-03-04 16:35 ` Mikkel Fahnøe Jørgensen
2009-03-04 16:48 ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 20:07 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 20:31 ` Richard Jones
2009-03-04 20:49 ` Yoann Padioleau
2009-03-04 21:20 ` Andreas Rossberg
2009-03-04 21:51 ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-04 22:50 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-04 23:18 ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-05 1:31 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05 2:15 ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-05 3:26 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05 6:22 ` yoann padioleau
2009-03-05 7:02 ` Raoul Duke
2009-03-05 8:07 ` Erick Tryzelaar
2009-03-05 9:06 ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 9:34 ` malc
2009-03-05 9:56 ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 10:49 ` malc
2009-03-05 11:16 ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 12:39 ` malc
2009-03-05 19:39 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05 21:10 ` Pal-Kristian Engstad
2009-03-05 22:41 ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 22:53 ` malc
2009-03-05 8:59 ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 17:50 ` Raoul Duke
2009-03-05 8:17 ` Kuba Ober
2009-03-05 1:06 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05 9:09 ` Richard Jones
2009-03-05 20:44 ` Jon Harrop
2009-03-05 20:50 ` Jake Donham
2009-03-05 21:28 ` [Caml-list] OCaml's intermediate representations Jon Harrop
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