From: Gerd Stolpmann <info@gerd-stolpmann.de>
To: J C <jhc0033@gmail.com>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] thousands of CPU cores
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 21:15:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1215717356.24773.17.camel@flake.lan.gerd-stolpmann.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c6c368760807092257v7a125fey534fbc6d5444d14@mail.gmail.com>
Am Mittwoch, den 09.07.2008, 22:57 -0700 schrieb J C:
> I know that Caml team wanted to see if many-core shared-memory systems
> were going to stick around before bothering with Caml development that
> takes advantage of them.
>
> Well, it looks like they are here to stay, after all:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-9981760-64.html
>
> As much as I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth, and I think Caml
> has been a great and grossly underappreciated product, I need to see
> if writing Caml is a viable code investment for the coming years or
> something like Haskell, SML, F# or even Ada will be a better long-term
> alternative.
>
> Are there plans to make Caml threads OS-native threads, or add
> OpenMP-style primitives, or otherwise support multiple CPU cores? And
> if so, roughly in what time frame?
I wouldn't take this article too seriously. It's just speculation.
Actually, the whole multi-core technology is a challenge for software
development. You cannot simply take a program that runs well on 4 cores
and expect that it scales up to 400. Software must be designed from
grounds up differently for such architectures.
Just open up your mind to this perspective: It's a big risk for the CPU
vendors to haven taken the direction to multi-core. Except for some
standard components and some specially-adapted programs multi-core is
more or less not exploited today. So these vendors are trying to push
the software developers into this direction, and hope they find new
ideas for designing multi-core-capable programs. This article is just
propaganda for this hidden agenda. It can also happen that multi-core
with too many cores turns out as failure - in the sense that the mass
market is not ready for it.
In Ocaml you can exploit multi-core currently only by using
multi-processing parallel programs that communicate over message passing
(and only on Unix). Actually, it's an excellent language for this style.
I've written (with some other guys) a big distributed system using
Ocamlnet's netplex and sunrpc libraries (actually, a search engine...,
http://wink.com). Ocaml is an excellent choice because you can quickly
develop working programs that run 24/7. In the distributed world
stability is quite important.
For a quick introduction to the technology I'm talking about, see my
blog article here: http://blog.camlcity.org/blog/parallelmm.html
Gerd
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Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-07-10 5:57 J C
2008-07-10 6:15 ` [Caml-list] " Erik de Castro Lopo
2008-07-10 12:47 ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-10 13:48 ` Hezekiah M. Carty
2008-07-10 11:35 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-14 11:32 ` J C
2008-07-14 12:08 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-14 17:04 ` Mike Lin
2008-07-14 17:28 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-14 17:16 ` Richard Jones
2008-07-10 13:21 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 13:44 ` Peng Zang
2008-07-10 14:00 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 22:25 ` Richard Jones
2008-07-10 23:04 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 23:41 ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11 0:17 ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11 9:30 ` Richard Jones
2008-09-21 19:05 ` Michaël Grünewald
2008-09-21 21:41 ` Jon Harrop
2008-09-22 7:51 ` Alan Schmitt
2008-09-22 19:03 ` Jon Harrop
2008-09-22 19:49 ` David Teller
2008-09-23 6:42 ` kirillkh
2008-09-24 13:30 ` [Caml-list] Link tracking Chris Clearwater
2008-09-24 15:43 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 14:53 ` [Caml-list] thousands of CPU cores Peng Zang
2008-07-15 14:39 ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-19 12:41 ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-10 19:15 ` Gerd Stolpmann [this message]
2008-07-10 20:07 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-10 20:24 ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-10 21:02 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-10 21:19 ` [Caml-list] " Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-10 21:35 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 22:39 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-15 15:57 ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-15 18:03 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-15 19:23 ` Adrien
2008-07-15 19:45 ` Adrien
2008-07-16 8:59 ` Michaël Grünewald
2008-07-16 16:43 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-16 11:46 ` Richard Jones
2008-07-16 18:35 ` Erik de Castro Lopo
2008-07-17 12:48 ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-15 15:21 ` Kuba Ober
2008-07-10 20:48 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2008-07-10 21:12 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-10 23:33 ` [Caml-list] " Oliver Bandel
2008-07-10 23:43 ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11 6:26 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-11 8:50 ` [Caml-list] " Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 9:29 ` Sylvain Le Gall
2008-07-15 16:01 ` [Caml-list] " Kuba Ober
2008-07-13 3:17 ` Code Mobility [was Re: thousands of CPU cores] Robert Fischer
2008-07-11 3:01 ` [Caml-list] thousands of CPU cores Brian Hurt
2008-07-11 13:01 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2008-07-11 13:43 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 14:03 ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2008-07-11 15:08 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 17:28 ` Jon Harrop
2008-07-11 17:54 ` Richard Jones
2008-07-11 18:30 ` Raoul Duke
2008-07-12 17:35 ` Brian Hurt
2008-07-11 15:01 ` Peng Zang
2008-07-12 0:23 ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-12 22:54 ` J C
2008-07-19 12:06 ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11 14:06 ` Xavier Leroy
2008-07-11 15:20 ` Oliver Bandel
2008-07-11 15:23 ` Bill
2008-07-11 18:14 ` Mattias Engdegård
2008-07-12 23:05 ` J C
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