From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73472BC6C for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:31:11 +0100 (CET) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAB5ZnUfAXQImh2dsb2JhbACQKAEBAQgKKZoQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,259,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="8445486" Received: from discorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.38]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 28 Jan 2008 13:31:11 +0100 Received: from mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail1-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.82]) by discorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m0SCVAAx020006 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:31:10 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAJlZnUfBMVMPh2dsb2JhbACQKAEBAQgKKZoS X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.25,259,1199660400"; d="scan'208";a="7324522" Received: from kabis.univ-orleans.fr (HELO ka.univ-orleans.fr) ([193.49.83.15]) by mail1-smtp-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 28 Jan 2008 13:31:10 +0100 Received: from smtps.univ-orleans.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ka.univ-orleans.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407F612AE04; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:31:08 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.168.0.12] (ras75-4-82-235-58-110.fbx.proxad.net [82.235.58.110]) by smtps.univ-orleans.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FD536E5B; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:31:10 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [Caml-list] [OSR] OCaml Standard Recommandation Process From: David Teller To: Jon Harrop Cc: yminsky@gmail.com, caml-list@inria.fr In-Reply-To: <200801281204.00689.jon@ffconsultancy.com> References: <1201440183.6302.27.camel@Blefuscu> <200801272107.23900.jon@ffconsultancy.com> <891bd3390801271347y56af21cam492ccaac1348bb05@mail.gmail.com> <200801281204.00689.jon@ffconsultancy.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:31:07 +0100 Message-Id: <1201523467.6747.44.camel@Blefuscu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at discorde with ID 479DCB0E.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 univ-orleans:01 bindings:01 combinators:01 ocaml:01 cheers:01 univ-orleans:01 lifo:01 liquidations:98 wrote:01 incompatible:01 caml-list:01 functions:01 immutable:01 strings:01 On Mon, 2008-01-28 at 12:04 +0000, Jon Harrop wrote: > Sophisticated renovations of the type system might not succeed but we're > talking about much more mundane features here. Just looking at text, we might > want: > > . Folds in the String module. > . Functions to read whole files as a string or list of lines. > . Either "try..finally" or "use" bindings or combinators to automate closing. > . Immutable strings. > . Ropes. > . Unicode. > . More efficient pattern matching. > > These have all been available for years in the form of many incompatible > extensions and will continue to be under-used until they are integrated into > OCaml itself. I believe there's a problem of vocabulary rather than a philosophical issue. Almost everything you suggest in your post requires modifying *the distribution* but not necessarily *the language*. INRIA is quite happy to let the community handle a standard distribution. Cheers, David -- David Teller Security of Distributed Systems http://www.univ-orleans.fr/lifo/Members/David.Teller Angry researcher: French Universities need reforms, but the LRU act brings liquidations.