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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Chad Perrin <perrin@apotheon.com>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Scripting in ocaml
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 21:29:15 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1166696955.5372.8.camel@rosella.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061221091824.GF2565@apotheon.com>

On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 02:18 -0700, Chad Perrin wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2006 at 06:22:36PM +1100, skaller wrote:
 
> > The big problem using Ocaml (bytecode) for scripting
> > is probably the ugly dynamic loading support, and 
> > for long running systems, the lack of unloading support.
> > (plus the syntax which isn't really well suited to small
> > scale scripting applications).
> 
> Actually, I find that static typing is the biggest problem I have with
> administration script writing in OCaml.  It can be great for bigger
> projects where dynamic typing doesn't always scale (as you mentioned),
> but for something under thirty lines of code (to pick a number out of
> thin air) the syntax requirements imposed by static typing and the
> semantic gymnastics that must sometimes be done (string_of_int, et
> cetera) can get in the way a bit.

If you examine your
scripting code I'm going to bet you find that most variables
actually have a single statically known type!

What I find with useful with Python code is stuff like:

(a) exec/eval of loaded strings into executable code

(b) scope control, turning dictionaries into scopes
to modify the behaviour of script

This is indeed dynamics .. and requires dynamic typing,
but it isn't really that variables have a changing type,
it seems more about the ability of a system to extend
itself dynamically.


-- 
John Skaller <skaller at users dot sf dot net>
Felix, successor to C++: http://felix.sf.net


  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-21 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-21  3:41 Denis Bueno
2006-12-21  4:34 ` [Caml-list] " Erik de Castro Lopo
2006-12-21  7:22   ` skaller
2006-12-21  9:12     ` Till Varoquaux
2006-12-21  9:18     ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 10:29       ` skaller [this message]
2006-12-21 20:21         ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 13:30     ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-21 13:52       ` skaller
2006-12-21 14:59         ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-21 20:25           ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 20:41             ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-21 22:16               ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 12:21                 ` strong/weak typing terminology (was Re: [Caml-list] Scripting in ocaml) Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-22 16:51                   ` Tom
2006-12-22 17:34                     ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-22 18:16                     ` skaller
2006-12-22 18:47                       ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-22 19:42                         ` skaller
2006-12-22 20:03                           ` David Brown
2006-12-22 20:17                             ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-23  3:48                               ` skaller
2006-12-23  4:11                                 ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 20:19                           ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-23 12:58                           ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-23 16:06                             ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-23 21:50                               ` Tom
2006-12-26  6:10                                 ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 20:14                   ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 21:11             ` [Caml-list] Scripting in ocaml Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-21 21:27               ` Philippe Wang
2006-12-21 22:06                 ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-22 12:35                 ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-21 22:19               ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 12:37                 ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-22 18:52                   ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22  2:51               ` skaller
2006-12-22 15:20                 ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-22 11:32               ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-23 18:50           ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-24  0:15             ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-24  3:30             ` skaller
2006-12-21 14:59 ` Richard Jones
2006-12-21 20:27   ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 23:35   ` Martin Jambon
2006-12-26 17:14 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-12-26 23:36   ` Ian Zimmerman
2006-12-27 18:25     ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-12-27 18:39       ` Richard Jones
2006-12-27 19:20         ` Aleksey Nogin

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