From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
Cc: Jere Sanisalo <xm@xmunkki.org>, caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml?
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:03:06 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1122480187.6768.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0507252001300.19547@localhost.localdomain>
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On Mon, 2005-07-25 at 20:10 -0500, Brian Hurt wrote:
>
> Note that languages encourage or discourage certain styles of programming.
> For example, C++, and to a lesser extent Java and C#, rather strongly
> discourages an applicative style of programming- primarily due to the
> costs of allocation. You can do it, but it's going to be a fairly serious
> perfomance hit.
I agree with your assertion but not the reason you cite for it.
The real reason it is discouraged is the lack of lexical
scoping.
I cite Felix as a counter example: the current implementation
provides lexical scoping and functional programming in the
ML style is simple and easy. Yet the stack frames are indeed
allocated using malloc in the standard driver.
For some classes of problems, the lack of performance here
just isn't an issue -- especially as the optimiser eliminates
almost all closures.
[The real problem in Felix is the the collector cannot
be run inside functional code, because there is no way
to predict the structure of the machine stack: procedural
code doesn't use the machine stack]
--
John Skaller <skaller at users dot sourceforge dot net>
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2005-07-22 14:26 Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-22 14:52 ` [Caml-list] " Eric Cooper
2005-07-22 15:26 ` [SPAM_PROBABLE] - [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? - Bayesian Filter detected spam Christophe Dehlinger
2005-07-22 18:58 ` [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? Stephane Glondu
2005-07-22 15:50 ` Berke Durak
2005-07-22 16:47 ` brogoff
2005-07-22 15:54 ` Michel Quercia
2005-07-23 5:00 ` Michael Alexander Hamburg
2005-07-23 12:34 ` Xavier Leroy
2005-07-23 13:16 ` Berke Durak
2005-07-23 16:36 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-23 18:27 ` Berke Durak
2005-07-23 18:50 ` Matthieu Sozeau
2005-07-24 8:35 ` Berke Durak
2005-07-23 19:18 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-23 19:35 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-23 19:50 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-23 19:59 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-23 20:15 ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-23 23:16 ` james woodyatt
2005-07-23 23:27 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-23 18:37 ` Michael Alexander Hamburg
2005-07-23 18:52 ` Bardur Arantsson
2005-07-23 21:35 ` [Caml-list] " Michael Alexander Hamburg
2005-07-23 19:19 ` [Caml-list] " Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-24 7:27 ` [Caml-list] "Just say no!" campaign against Obj [was: How to do this properly with OCaml?] Alex Baretta
2005-07-24 8:02 ` [Caml-list] "Just say no!" campaign against Obj james woodyatt
2005-07-24 17:27 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-25 8:43 ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-24 21:37 ` [Caml-list] "Just say no!" campaign against Obj [was: How to do this properly with OCaml?] brogoff
2005-07-25 8:15 ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-25 17:08 ` brogoff
2005-07-25 8:57 ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-24 17:33 ` [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? skaller
2005-07-24 18:13 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-24 18:48 ` skaller
2005-07-24 19:14 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-24 20:29 ` skaller
2005-07-24 20:49 ` skaller
2005-07-24 21:08 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-24 21:55 ` skaller
2005-07-24 23:23 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-25 0:32 ` skaller
2005-07-25 6:45 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-25 11:35 ` skaller
2005-07-26 0:47 ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-26 0:56 ` Jere Sanisalo
2005-07-26 1:10 ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-26 1:34 ` Jere Sanisalo
2005-07-26 9:03 ` Richard Jones
2005-07-27 17:21 ` skaller
2005-07-27 19:44 ` [Caml-list] Games Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 20:35 ` Jere Sanisalo
2005-07-28 0:13 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-28 1:12 ` Jere Sanisalo
2005-07-28 2:44 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-28 4:49 ` skaller
2005-07-28 19:48 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-28 21:32 ` David Thomas
2005-07-28 22:31 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-29 1:44 ` Michael Walter
2005-07-29 2:32 ` David Thomas
2005-07-29 3:52 ` skaller
2005-07-29 12:57 ` David Thomas
2005-07-28 10:58 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2005-07-28 17:19 ` David Thomas
2005-07-28 19:22 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 21:13 ` [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? Pal-Kristian Engstad
2005-07-27 22:28 ` skaller
2005-07-28 1:47 ` Michael Walter
2005-07-27 23:17 ` [Caml-list] Games Jon Harrop
2005-07-28 0:03 ` [Caml-list] How to do this properly with OCaml? Paul Snively
2005-07-28 18:26 ` Jonathan Bryant
2005-07-28 23:10 ` Paul Snively
2005-07-27 16:03 ` skaller [this message]
2005-07-26 1:01 ` Stephane Glondu
2005-07-26 1:15 ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-27 15:33 ` skaller
2005-07-30 23:24 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-31 0:06 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-31 3:10 ` skaller
2005-07-31 2:54 ` skaller
2005-07-26 20:32 ` David Thomas
2005-07-27 15:05 ` skaller
2005-07-27 15:29 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 15:35 ` David Thomas
2005-07-27 20:11 ` skaller
2005-07-28 16:35 ` David Thomas
2005-07-30 23:33 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-31 0:39 ` james woodyatt
2005-07-27 19:59 ` skaller
2005-07-26 1:22 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 17:23 ` skaller
2005-07-26 1:05 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-26 1:20 ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-26 1:28 ` Jon Harrop
2005-07-27 17:03 ` skaller
2005-07-27 16:09 ` skaller
2005-07-24 23:26 ` Brian Hurt
2005-07-25 17:21 ` Ken Rose
2005-07-25 19:19 ` skaller
2005-07-26 7:10 ` Alex Baretta
2005-07-23 18:58 ` Thomas Fischbacher
2005-07-26 1:32 Jon Harrop
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2005-07-27 16:31 ` David Thomas
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