From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@knm.org.pl>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library
Date: 03 May 2004 20:58:45 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1083581924.20722.584.camel@pelican.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1083574691.1643.55.camel@qrnik>
On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 18:58, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk wrote:
> (The primary example is C++ where evaluation of constant expressions
> can influence parsing of further parts, with name resolution and type
> checking and template instantiation sitting between so they are also all
> mutually recursive. I have no idea how to sanely organize a C++
> compiler.)
Neither did any of the C++ compiler writers for at least 15 years.
> Hmm. This probably depends on the language. Mine doesn't have anything
> which requires far "phase lookahead".
Felix is statically typed, everything is recursive,
recursive types are supported, it has generics,
overloading by selecting the most specialised
function (like C++). Whilst a function parameter
must be annotated with a type, the return type
doesn't need to be given (usually:).
Also 'typeof(e)' is allowed.. including for
function parameter types ...
To solve this algebraically I think I'd need
meta-sums: the type of an overload
f: int -> 'a
f: long -> 'b
would be something like:
int of 'a | long of 'b
so that
f x
would be typed:
typematch typeof(x) with
| int 'a -> 'a
| long 'b -> ;b
I actually support such type terms as well as lambda abstractions.
>From the std library:
typedef fun dom(t:TYPE):TYPE =
typematch t with
| ?a -> _ => a
endmatch
;
Note that dom isn't a total function, and so this isn't
entirely parametric polymophism: the construction clearly
allows for partial specialisations .. :)
However the overload resolution doesn't use this stuff
(I'm not sure how to do all the reductions).
Anyhow there is a central 'bottleneck', lookup,
where all the nesting and recursion is unravelled.
Thereafter everything is flat and fully bound,
and much easier to work with..
.. data flow analysis will be a breeze by comparison :D
> The only troublesome part wrt. the order was possible recursion among
> definitions in a block. All definitions are potentially mutually
> recursive,
Same in Felix
> and using a name before its definition has been executed, in
> any other way than attaching it to a closure, is an error, by necessity
> sometimes detected only at runtime.
In Felix this can't be a problem for functions, only for
variables. Unlike Ocaml,
fun f ...
declares a class, whilst
let f x = ..
in Ocaml constructs a value. Ocaml's f is a closure immediately,
Felix's is just a C++ class. The class gets instantiated
on use, so direct calls are never a problem. Neither is intermodule
recursion. uninitialised variables are possible though:
I just blame the programmer :D
> The duplication was getting ugly.
I know the feeling, except in my case 'multiplication' would
be more precise than mere 'duplicaton' :)
> So my solution was to analyze each sequence of definitions in two
> mini-phases, with an explicit representation between them.
Right. Hence your comment in a previous email: you've got
an intermediate representation (ugly) but it's localised
enough to be sensible in some way, for example linear.
> > Interested in how you handle tail calls in C.
>
> The portable variant uses the well-known trampoline style, where each C
> function returns a pointer to the next function to jump into. The stack
> is managed explicitly.
That's what Felix does for procedures (except I'm using heap
store for stack frames). I can now convert tail procedure calls
into gotos. But I do no such thing for functions, they just
run on the stack (even though their stack frames are heap allocated,
the return addresses are not).
> But for x86 I process the assembler output of gcc
> and convert code which returns an address (marked with a comment in asm)
> with a jump. This increased performance by about 30%.
Ah. Inline asm tricks .. been thinking of that.
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2004-04-23 21:36 ` John Goerzen
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2004-04-23 22:04 ` Alain.Frisch
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2004-04-24 8:13 ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24 9:28 ` Nicolas Cannasse
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2004-04-25 19:42 ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 13:16 ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
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2004-04-26 14:55 ` skaller
2004-04-26 15:26 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
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2004-04-26 20:56 ` Gerd Stolpmann
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2004-04-26 22:32 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:52 ` Benjamin Geer
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2004-04-27 21:51 ` Gerd Stolpmann
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2004-04-27 22:22 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-28 7:42 ` Nicolas Cannasse
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2004-04-27 16:17 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 16:58 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
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2004-04-28 21:30 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28 21:44 ` John Goerzen
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2004-04-25 6:55 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-25 7:56 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-25 11:50 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 13:55 ` skaller
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2004-04-28 4:31 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-28 5:13 ` Jon Harrop
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2004-04-29 11:57 ` Andreas Rossberg
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2004-04-28 18:42 ` Jon Harrop
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2004-04-29 5:47 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 12:05 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 17:07 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-28 17:31 ` skaller
2004-05-03 0:02 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 7:54 ` skaller
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2004-05-03 11:32 ` [Caml-list] Re: Tail-calls in C code (was: [ANN] The Missing Library) Wolfgang Lux
2004-05-03 12:34 ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:38 ` skaller
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2004-05-03 13:02 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-04-28 15:15 ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
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2004-04-24 9:19 ` Nicolas Cannasse
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2004-04-24 17:36 ` Nicolas Cannasse
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2004-04-24 4:51 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24 5:11 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-24 12:59 ` Proposal: community standard library project (was: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-24 17:29 ` [Caml-list] RE: Proposal: community standard library project Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-24 18:23 ` Benjamin Geer
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2004-04-27 11:29 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 12:52 ` skaller
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