From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Richard Jones <rich@annexia.org>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] build tools - good vs. fast, both cheap
Date: 17 Apr 2004 07:00:51 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1082149250.20063.303.camel@pelican.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040416193941.GA31885@redhat.com>
On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 05:39, Richard Jones wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 17, 2004 at 04:10:25AM +1000, skaller wrote:
> > I'm against make. It just isn't necessary. Make is for C developers,
> > not Ocaml package installation. To build a package it suffices
> > to run a sequence of commands in a fixed order.
>
> Controversial view.
Yes, so it seems :D
> Why ..? GNU make in particular is a very useful
Partly that is because many programming systems follow
the C model. Partly because of familiarity. And partly
because some of the underlying logic (dependencies etc)
is a genuine part of a building concept.
> tool for its specialised niche. I use it all the time to build all
> lots of things (not just C or OCaml).
I'm not saying it isn't useful, rather that it isn't
useful enough these days.
When I worked at the telco OT with C++ code base
of several million LOC, they didn't use make as such.
They used a custom general purpose tool called Makeit.
It used the same idea, but it also understood some
extra things:
(1) modules
(2) multiple platforms
(3) multiple target classes (standard, optimised, debugging)
and it could build the lot at once, or not, as you chose.
[It also knew about versioning, although I don't think that
part ever worked properly]
So for example you could have:
exes=A,B,C
platforms=Solaris,Linux
kinds=opt,debug
links=static,shlib
and it knew enough category theory to 'generate'
the product targets internally.
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2004-04-07 18:47 [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code John Goerzen
2004-04-07 20:37 ` Samuel Mimram
2004-04-07 21:05 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2002-01-04 0:43 ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08 0:58 ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08 6:24 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08 7:47 ` Oleg Trott
2004-04-08 8:04 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08 7:52 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08 8:15 ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08 13:37 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 14:56 ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:14 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-08 15:26 ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:39 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 15:58 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 17:59 ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-08 18:20 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:39 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 19:21 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:29 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13 6:15 ` Trevor Andrade
2004-04-13 11:17 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 13:16 ` skaller
2004-04-13 14:24 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13 14:53 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 18:07 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI (was: Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 19:30 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 19:57 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 20:45 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 0:34 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14 5:35 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 6:00 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14 6:21 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 9:17 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14 6:16 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 7:38 ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 8:32 ` Matt Gushee
2004-04-14 8:48 ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-04-14 8:40 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 17:14 ` David Brown
2004-04-14 18:50 ` [Caml-list] benefit of package management Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-15 6:46 ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 15:05 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15 0:20 ` skaller
2004-04-15 2:36 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15 17:48 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-14 10:50 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI skaller
2004-04-14 1:04 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14 2:52 ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14 5:14 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 6:53 ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14 6:57 ` Kenneth Knowles
[not found] ` <407D2075.2070104@jollys.org>
2004-04-14 16:14 ` ocamlconf on Cygwin (Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake) Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 7:50 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-14 11:54 ` skaller
2004-04-14 16:49 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15 1:05 ` skaller
2004-04-15 6:34 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15 7:33 ` skaller
2004-04-15 16:00 ` Kenneth Knowles
[not found] ` <1082049025.20677.1250.camel@pelican>
2004-04-15 17:38 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15 23:58 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16 1:16 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 6:31 ` [Caml-list] build tools - good vs. fast, both cheap Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16 14:38 ` skaller
2004-04-16 15:16 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:12 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 16:17 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:39 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17 6:01 ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-17 6:25 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17 9:19 ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-16 21:53 ` William Lovas
2004-04-17 2:30 ` skaller
2004-04-17 5:47 ` Blair Zajac
2004-04-17 6:28 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 14:52 ` skaller
2004-04-16 16:06 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 18:10 ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:43 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 19:55 ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:46 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-16 18:55 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 20:22 ` skaller
2004-04-16 19:39 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 21:00 ` skaller [this message]
2004-04-15 9:47 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Markus Mottl
2004-04-15 16:38 ` skaller
2004-04-16 1:30 ` Richard Cole
2004-04-16 14:11 ` skaller
2004-04-15 1:25 ` skaller
2004-04-14 12:19 ` skaller
2004-04-14 18:21 ` [Caml-list] recompiling bytecode Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 18:54 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14 20:26 ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-14 20:35 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-15 1:39 ` skaller
2004-04-14 13:03 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14 12:45 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 15:03 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Matt Gushee
2004-04-13 17:24 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-09 5:40 ` skaller
2004-04-08 15:30 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 16:08 ` Xavier Leroy
2004-04-08 16:44 ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 17:35 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09 6:41 ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:44 ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-09 6:23 ` skaller
2004-04-09 6:33 ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09 7:37 ` skaller
2004-04-09 8:17 ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09 8:35 ` OT: licences (was Re: [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-10 10:10 ` skaller
2004-04-09 8:36 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Markus Mottl
2004-04-10 9:59 ` skaller
2004-04-09 9:09 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-08 16:44 ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 17:55 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09 13:44 ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 15:31 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 19:52 ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-25 23:07 ` [Caml-list] Is GCaml Dead Again? Greg K
2004-04-08 15:04 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Fernando Alegre
2004-04-08 15:22 ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-09 6:44 ` Pierre Weis
2004-04-08 15:23 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 15:38 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 22:31 ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 18:28 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-08 17:15 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08 18:32 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-09 5:04 ` skaller
2004-04-08 17:25 ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08 7:10 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-08 17:09 ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-07 21:32 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 20:39 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-07 21:47 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 22:14 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-08 7:49 ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:11 ` Christophe TROESTLER
[not found] ` <200404072306.15109.clement.capel@free.fr>
2004-04-07 23:25 ` clement capel
2004-04-13 21:25 ` [Caml-list] eval for OCaml Brock
2004-04-08 0:17 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 17:31 ` Walid Taha
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