From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id KAA14100; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:25:36 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA14076 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:25:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.203]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i388QQjq028214 for ; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 10:26:27 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.200] (ppp116-94.lns1.syd2.internode.on.net [150.101.116.94]) by smtp3.adl2.internode.on.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i388PJvM067630; Thu, 8 Apr 2004 17:55:24 +0930 (CST) Subject: Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) From: skaller Reply-To: skaller@users.sourceforge.net To: Vasili Galchin Cc: skaller@users.sourceforge.net, Dustin Sallings , Kenneth Knowles , caml-list In-Reply-To: <20040407230339.76481.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040407230339.76481.qmail@web41212.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1081412719.19232.914.camel@pelican> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 08 Apr 2004 18:25:19 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Miltered: at nez-perce by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml's:01 caml-list:01 run-time:01 sourceforge:01 2004:99 9660:01 glebe:01 compiler:01 ocaml:01 ocaml:01 nsw:01 mainstream:01 snail:02 unix:02 checkout:02 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Keywords: X-UID: 133 On Thu, 2004-04-08 at 09:03, Vasili Galchin wrote: > John, > > You misunderstood my point. No I didn't :) YOu said at one point "I'm an old man and I'd love to see a decent language in the mainstream" .. or words to that effect. Me too, both parts! The issue here is how to get the result we want. I'd go for Ocaml 4 with the existing Ocaml team remaining in full control of the compiler, but relinquishing *totally* the standard library to a public process. The new library starts off EMPTY, and compatility isn't allowed as an argument except as a tie breaker. On the other hand accepted principles are valid arguments, for example functions operating on a container type shall take the container as the first argument. There's no way this process would work without the Ocaml team being an active part of it! [And I'm going to vote for Ocamlgraph being included first thing!] -- John Skaller, mailto:skaller@users.sf.net voice: 061-2-9660-0850, snail: PO BOX 401 Glebe NSW 2037 Australia Checkout the Felix programming language http://felix.sf.net ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners