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From: skaller <skaller@ozemail.com.au>
To: Martin Berger <martinb@dcs.qmul.ac.uk>
Cc: caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Building large and portable projects
Date: 23 Nov 2003 01:55:00 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1069512900.6703.32.camel@pelican> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FBF7397.9030608@dcs.qmul.ac.uk>

On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 01:32, Martin Berger wrote:
> > Make systems are all conceptually wrong.

> * as someone else pointed out, relying on convergence towards
>    fixpoints may be too strong. some build processes may
>    never converge, rather they evenually stabilise in some
>    "open ball", so you might need some (user supplied) notion
>    of "close enough". how do you do that?

In interscript I have an iteration limit.
In a GUI system, one pass per mouse click I guess.

> * according to [1], a cartesian closed category with fixpoints
>    and finite sums is equivalent to the category with one object
>    and one arrow. how do you deal with this?
> 
> martin
> 
> [1] Hagen Huwig and Axel Poigne, A note on inconsistencies caused
> by fixpoints in a cartesian dosed category, Theoretical Computer
> Science 73 (1990), p. 101-112.

Ouch. First, the concept above is to use categories
as an inspirational model, but we do have to layer
the abstraction on real storage/execution systems,
so that theoretical constraint is unlikely to the most
difficult problem :-)

Second .. well, Ocaml uses this model 'as inspiration'
as well, and it's authors know a good deal more theory
than me so they're more likely to be able to answer :-)

Yeah, both answers are a cop-out (meaning I don't know :-)


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  reply	other threads:[~2003-11-22 15:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-20 18:47 Martin Jambon
2003-11-20 19:56 ` sylvain.le-gall
2003-11-21  1:45   ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-21  5:25     ` David Brown
2003-11-21  5:48       ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-21  6:45         ` David Brown
2003-11-21  6:49         ` sylvain.le-gall
2003-11-21 16:12           ` skaller
2003-11-21 17:53             ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-22 14:45               ` skaller
2003-11-21 19:04             ` sylvain.le-gall
2003-11-22 14:34               ` skaller
2003-11-22 18:50                 ` sylvain.le-gall
2003-11-22 14:32             ` Martin Berger
2003-11-22 14:55               ` skaller [this message]
2003-11-22 17:08             ` David Brown
2003-11-22 16:48               ` skaller
2003-11-23  3:25               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-23  4:29                 ` David Brown
2003-11-23 17:21                 ` skaller
2003-11-22 17:13             ` David Brown
2003-11-24 18:02             ` Ken Rose
2003-11-24 19:04               ` Christian Lindig
2003-11-21 16:32           ` Martin Jambon
2003-11-21 18:57             ` sylvain.le-gall
2003-11-21  9:14       ` Christian Lindig
2003-11-21  9:28 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-21 15:35 ` skaller
2003-11-21 17:05 ` Jason Hickey
2003-11-21 18:55   ` sylvain.le-gall
2003-11-21 19:30     ` [Caml-list] Omake [Was: Building large and portable projects] Aleksey Nogin
2003-11-21 20:39       ` Damien
2003-11-22  3:30         ` Aleksey Nogin
2003-11-21 23:48       ` sylvain.le-gall
2003-11-22  1:32         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-22  3:51         ` Aleksey Nogin
2003-11-28 16:29   ` [Caml-list] Building large and portable projects David Brown

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