From: skaller <skaller@ozemail.com.au>
To: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
Cc: Ville-Pertti Keinonen <will@exomi.com>,
Caml Mailing List <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] GC and file descriptors
Date: 20 Nov 2003 16:14:36 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1069305275.24578.57.camel@pelican> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311191133550.5009-100000@localhost.localdomain>
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 04:36, Brian Hurt wrote:
> On 20 Nov 2003, skaller wrote:
> 3) While there are programs which will terminate with lazy evaluation that
> won't terminate with strict evalulation, such programs mainly appear only
> as counter examples. If I know that I'm in a strict evaluation language,
> I just don't do that ("Doctor- it hurts when I do this!" "Well, don't do
> that then!").
For me it is hard to say, since I don't use a lazy language,
*but* there are times when I am thinking of 'streaming'
things rather than building whole data structures in
memory and transforming them in phases.
Whilst you can do that in a strict language like
Ocaml I would guess it is (at least a bit more)
*automatic* in a lazy language like Haskell.
I guess that would be a major productivity
and performance boost -- the code is easier
to write, and far less memory is required
(since for example only a small local part
of a list will exist at any time, the not
yet needed part is not yet built, and the
already used part is not reachable and
thus deallocated).
So I would not be so quick to discredit lazy
evaluation as a bad performer, I guess
considerable experience would be needed
first to form a judgement.
One indication I have is that Charity is lazy.
I don't know if that is an arbitrary choice
or necessary for a reasonable representation
of coinductive data types. Anyone know anything
aboy the connection between lazy evaluation and
coinductive types?
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Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-11-13 0:50 Dustin Sallings
2003-11-13 1:18 ` David Fox
2003-11-13 4:09 ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-14 13:42 ` Damien Doligez
2003-11-14 14:57 ` Christophe Raffalli
2003-11-14 20:24 ` Dmitry Bely
2003-11-14 20:54 ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-14 22:21 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-14 21:36 ` John J Lee
2003-11-14 21:48 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-15 1:47 ` Dmitry Bely
2003-11-15 2:25 ` Max Kirillov
2003-11-15 2:49 ` Mike Furr
2003-11-16 4:09 ` [Caml-list] Bugs from ignoring errors from close (was Re: GC and file..) Tim Freeman
2003-11-15 2:58 ` [Caml-list] GC and file descriptors David Brown
2003-11-17 14:19 ` Damien Doligez
2003-11-17 18:18 ` skaller
2003-11-14 18:35 ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-15 14:16 ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:56 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-15 17:30 ` skaller
2003-11-15 20:31 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-16 19:19 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-17 18:15 ` skaller
2003-11-17 19:26 ` Aleksey Nogin
2003-11-18 13:49 ` skaller
2003-11-18 17:51 ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-18 20:17 ` Aleksey Nogin
2003-11-20 7:36 ` Florian Hars
2003-11-17 21:20 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-17 23:02 ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 12:05 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-18 15:19 ` skaller
2003-11-18 18:10 ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 17:55 ` skaller
2003-11-18 20:02 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-18 21:20 ` John J Lee
2003-11-19 12:25 ` skaller
2003-11-19 13:55 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2003-11-19 14:26 ` Samuel Lacas
2003-11-19 14:47 ` skaller
2003-11-18 15:28 ` skaller
2003-11-18 18:00 ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 22:28 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-18 23:07 ` John J Lee
2003-11-18 23:22 ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-19 1:49 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 3:57 ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-19 13:35 ` skaller
2003-11-19 13:00 ` skaller
2003-11-19 13:02 ` skaller
2003-11-19 17:36 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-20 5:14 ` skaller [this message]
2003-11-20 7:37 ` David Brown
2003-11-18 15:12 ` skaller
2003-11-18 16:49 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-18 17:46 ` skaller
2003-11-19 1:33 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 3:19 ` Design by Contract, was " Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 2:57 ` Jacques Carette
2003-11-19 13:27 ` skaller
2003-11-19 14:41 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 16:54 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-19 17:18 ` Damien Doligez
2003-11-19 21:45 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-19 23:09 ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-20 0:50 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-20 9:42 ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-19 18:03 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-18 18:26 ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-18 19:24 ` Xavier Leroy
2003-11-18 23:49 ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-19 1:36 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 2:28 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-19 3:26 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 11:44 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 17:29 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-20 5:17 ` skaller
2003-11-20 16:13 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 13:33 ` skaller
2003-11-19 17:01 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-22 2:39 ` [Caml-list] AutoMLI (Was: GC and file descriptors) Jim
2003-11-19 17:43 ` [Caml-list] GC and file descriptors Brian Hurt
2003-11-20 5:05 ` skaller
2003-11-19 1:33 ` Martin Berger
2003-11-19 2:47 ` Benjamin Geer
2003-11-18 22:23 ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-19 13:00 ` skaller
2003-11-17 22:37 ` OCaml popularity [was: Re: [Caml-list] GC and file...] John J Lee
2003-11-18 1:02 ` [Caml-list] Re: GC and file descriptors Jed Davis
2003-11-13 1:19 ` [Caml-list] " Nicolas George
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[not found] ` <347A7A46-1612-11D8-8F93-000393CFE6B8@spy.net>
2003-11-13 20:18 ` Mikael Brockman
[not found] <20031118232227.GA8437@swordfish>
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0311182039440.5009-100000@localhost.localdomain>
2003-11-20 6:35 ` Matt Gushee
2003-11-21 16:44 ` skaller
2003-11-21 22:17 Gregory Morrisett
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