From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id LAA31756; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:57:03 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA26837 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:57:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from th22.opsion.fr (th22.opsion.fr [62.39.122.32]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.11.1) with SMTP id h6Q9v1T09300 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:57:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from 81.57.130.154 [81.57.130.154] by th22.opsion.fr id 200307260953.235e; Sat, 26 Jul 2003 09:53:35 GMT Message-ID: <002401c3535c$66a3bfd0$9a823951@Pif> From: "Nicolas Janin" To: Subject: [Caml-list] Why not a forum instead of a mailing-list ? Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:58:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3536D.29D213C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; facto:01 beginners:01 multiplies:01 gpl:01 moderated:01 posts:01 75,000:99 attracts:99 electronics:99 hre:99 ocaml:01 caml:01 nicolas:01 groups:01 account:96 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3536D.29D213C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, Being used to a forum, I find that a mailing-list is a poor and = unattractive way, if not a frustrating way, to communicate. One can post = only text, no graphics. Yet sometimes graphics can be very useful (for = screenshots or concepts, for example). Moreover, the Ocaml community is split de facto by the mailing-list = system and the different sources that spread in different places. Many = beginners won't bother posting in this mailing-list because it is mainly = used by advanced users. So one has had to create another place for = beginners, Yahoo Ocaml_beginners. This obliges me, for instance, to set = up an account on this list AND on Yahoo, not mentioning = fr.comp.lang.caml and comp.lang.ml newsgroups.=20 Not only this is unconvenient, it multiplies the chances of being = spammed. Why not create a real forum dedicated to Ocaml development with a = framework like phpBB (under GPL), for example ? It would gather all the = Caml users in a single place, which would make the Caml community = stronger, more active and therefore more attractive.=20 A forum like phpBB allows many more ways of communicating than a simple = mailing-list : - one can create an unlimited number of parallel forums (one for the = advanced users of this mailing-list , one for the beginners, several for = projects, for example).=20 Access can be controlled.=20 Forums can be moderated or not.=20 Posts can be categorized in predefined topics - one can create groups of users, with or without access control. - one can do all sorts of searches, full-text, or any combination of = author, date, forum, topic, etc. - customized look and feel. phpBB includes chat rooms, for discussing technical matters in real = time. Good examples of what can be done with the phpBB forum is here : - phpBB website : http://www.phpbb.com/features.php - phpBB forum, with nearly 75,000 registered members (!): = http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/ - a large french home-cinema and hi-fi forum with over 15,000 members = and 790,000 messages, which makes this place the single most important = source of information on this topic in France. Because it is = comprehensive and active, it attracts professionnals as well as the = large public, and it is read on a regular basis by consumer electronics = journalists : http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/ ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3536D.29D213C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
Being used to a forum, I find that a = mailing-list=20 is a poor and unattractive way, if not a frustrating way, to = communicate. One=20 can post only text, no graphics. Yet sometimes graphics can be very = useful (for=20 screenshots or concepts, for example).
 
Moreover, the Ocaml community is split = de facto by=20 the mailing-list system and the different sources that spread in = different=20 places. Many beginners won't bother posting in this mailing-list because = it is=20 mainly used by advanced users. So one has had to = create another=20 place for beginners, Yahoo Ocaml_beginners. This obliges me, for=20 instance, to set up an account on this list AND on Yahoo, not = mentioning=20 fr.comp.lang.caml and comp.lang.ml newsgroups.
 
Not only this is unconvenient, it = multiplies the=20 chances of being spammed.
 
Why not create a real forum dedicated = to Ocaml=20 development with a framework like phpBB (under GPL), for example ? It = would=20 gather all the Caml users in a single place, which would make the Caml=20 community stronger, more active and therefore more = attractive.=20
 
A forum like phpBB allows many = more ways of=20 communicating than a simple mailing-list :
 
 - one can create an=20 unlimited number of parallel forums (one for the advanced = users=20 of this mailing-list , one for the beginners, several for projects, for=20 example).
Access can be controlled.
Forums can be moderated or not. =
Posts can be categorized in predefined=20 topics
 
- one can create groups of users, with = or=20 without access control.
 
- one can do all sorts of searches, = full-text, or=20 any combination of author, date, forum, topic, etc.
 
- customized look and = feel.
 
phpBB includes chat rooms, for = discussing=20 technical matters in real time.
 
Good examples of what can be done = with the=20 phpBB forum is here :
 
 - phpBB website : http://www.phpbb.com/features.= php
 - phpBB forum, with nearly 75,000 = registered=20 members (!): http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/
 
 - a large french home-cinema and = hi-fi forum=20 with over 15,000 members and 790,000 messages, which makes this = place the=20 single most important source of information on this topic in France. = Because it=20 is comprehensive and active, it attracts professionnals as = well as the=20 large public, and it is read on a regular basis by consumer=20 electronics journalists  : http://www.homecinema-fr.com= /forum/
------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C3536D.29D213C0-- _____________________________________________________________________ Envie de discuter en "live" avec vos amis ? Tilicharger MSN Messenger http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/m la 1hre messagerie instantanie de France ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners